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US sniper may be linked to Bin Laden (DC SNIPER ALERT)
The Evening Standard ^ | October 14, 2002 | James Langton

Posted on 10/14/2002 2:44:20 AM PDT by MadIvan

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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me
If it's even an "Arab". They were talking the other day of the Al Quaeda(sp?) possibly considering using non-Arab looking people to do their dirty work. They might be using people who don't 'look' or 'act' Arab or even Muslim. This person could have a connection, but most people wouldn't even know!
441 posted on 10/14/2002 9:11:43 PM PDT by dsutah
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To: MadIvan
I posted this 2 days ago --
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    To: JennysCool

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    If this is the work of islamic terrorists, the thinking may be as follows...

      Americans are expecting to be hit in large, enclosed structures, where they are now more vigilant and security conscious -- so hit them out in the open. Americans are expecting to be targeted in large groups with dramatic things like explosions -- so hit them discreetly, one at a time, with single shots from a distance. Maximizes the fear factor -- they're not safe in groups, they're not safe alone -- they're not safe inside, they're not safe outside. And since the method and the target are atypical, we will not be blamed and our anti-war allies will not be discredited.

    So far, not one of the victims is islamic, even though there are a great many of them in the DC/Maryland area.

    201 posted on 10/12/02 7:49 PM Pacific by Bonaparte


442 posted on 10/14/2002 11:40:33 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: MadIvan
I have always thought the Tarot card, cartridge case, and message, were the work of some sicko, not the shooter, just trying to get attention.
443 posted on 10/15/2002 12:52:11 AM PDT by MoralSense
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To: Ajnin
Did you know that George Tenet's CIA trained Pali snipers? For the "Security" forces of course.
444 posted on 10/15/2002 3:39:47 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt
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To: Ronin
I'm actually convinced that he is not a Tarot expert and was simply doing it to scare people. However, since I think this guy is being used of Satan to kill, I don't think it's a coincidence that he chose an occultic symbol....even if he himself doesn't recognize it as such.
445 posted on 10/15/2002 3:41:09 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: GeorgeandtheDralgore
"The weakest link and probably the younger one is the one who shoots to the upper torso and fires from outside the van."

In the latest shooting, the perp apparently shot from outside the van and hit the head. So much for that theory.

IMHO, we are not going to know until the perps are caught. Then it will seem obvious.

446 posted on 10/15/2002 4:14:07 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt
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To: Jabba the Nutt
IMHO, we are not going to know until the perps are caught. Then it will seem obvious.

Yep. Right now, all bets are off.

448 posted on 10/15/2002 6:06:30 AM PDT by Elenya
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To: Jeff Head
It could be a lone whacko. But the ability to get away augurs for lookouts, coordination, and signaling. Only the shooter has to extract himself promptly. I agree with you that these attacks were planned, and probably rehearsed.

You said they seemed to you the spec ops. Here are some more reasons to think so:

In the face of a HUGE LEA response, the attacks continue. This is a mission - an assignment, not an obsession.

There is a strange balance of operating in such as way as to get away, yet doing so in an environment where the first mistake will probably be the shooter's last. EVENTUALLY the shooter knows they will be caught, and they will continue to kill right up to that moment - it's a slow-motion suicide mission.

The LAX shooter turned out to have Islamist links. Not all terror will be sudden, large-scale killing.

Another strange combination: Strict discipline and evident training - as if for a secret op - but applied to killing innocent civilians. This is the hallmark of Al Quaida. They take the kind of training the CIA or Spetsnaz would give the locals in some hotspot and have turned it toward the purpose of terrorizing the West (Not just us, but France, U.K., Australia, etc.).

And, of course, the target area.

So, like I said, it could turn out to be a competent and/or lucky lone nut, but it is more and more likely to be an individual or small group terrorist cell.

449 posted on 10/15/2002 6:25:13 AM PDT by eno_
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To: AntiGuv
Well I'm not expert on Ted Bundy and the like but Son of Sam left messages behind for cops. Obviously if you don't want to get caught why bother? No these guys are psycho and feeding their needs through these methods. Unabomber wrote manifestos which eventually helped lead him to capture. In the end a serial killer maybe good at what he does but always leaves a trail behind. Supposedly after today though they are starting to indicate they have leads that will lead to an arrest. We'll see how right that is.
451 posted on 10/15/2002 2:39:11 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: ExSoldier; NordP
"From the moment the first shots dropped victims...I have said this is a terrorist attack and it's being perpetrated by a sleeper cell...."

Oh boy I think I have egg on my face. When I said I thought it was a terrorist sleeper cell, I had been given to understand that the ranges they were shooting at exceeded two hundred meters, three hundred even four hundred meters. Thats what was being dessiminated on some news shows. Today I see a former DELTA sniper going over the evidence and he suggests these aren't military trained shooters given that the shortest range is FIFTY METERS and the longest is 100 meters.....sheeeeesh when my daughter was TEN she could shoot a 5.56 mm and hit you in the head. Now she's 21 and much better, lol.

The DELTA guy opines that these are the acts of military wannabes probably in their early 20's. Well organized and well planned, with extensive recon taking place...possibly even rehersals. I think I have to agree. At this time I would characterize this event as another Colombine; but covering more terrain.

I hope they take these idiots out and I maintain now more than ever that given a range of fifty meters, it is well possible that a lawfully ARMED citizen can make the difference and save the day!

452 posted on 10/15/2002 3:16:35 PM PDT by ExSoldier
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To: MadIvan
Report: I was in Falls Church, VA last night

Robert Young, a DC construction worker was at the Home Depot area at the time of the shooting and told investigators he saw the shooter(s). He said he was pulling out and inadvertently blocked two men in a white Astrovan. They were very agitated and sped around him. Here's what he told the authorities: THE MEN WERE MIDDLE EASTERN!!!!!!

453 posted on 10/15/2002 5:22:41 PM PDT by NWO Slave
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To: MadIvan
From the evidence gathered so far, which includes a handwritten note by the gunman, investigators think English may not be his first language.

I opined this over a week ago on the Dear Mr. Policeman thread.

455 posted on 10/15/2002 6:09:47 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: anniegetyourgun
And a devout Muslim isn't supposed to have anything to do with prostitutes either but I remember a story about a girl giving one of them a lap dance in a bar...
456 posted on 10/15/2002 6:11:16 PM PDT by marajade
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To: Surfin
I hope not, but the following analysis is what I fear may be the situation.

Considering the firepower available to a fire team, squad, platoon to company sized unit which is man portable and even more sustained by the self contained load of a vehicle trunk or pickup trunk,...it's not unreasonable for the law of averages to allow such a massacre of 100 or so inncent people every 3 months to year and a slaughter of some 1000 or so in our society every 1-10 years. When I say a 'law of averages' it is simply based upon a convolution of factors such as common technology available within a society, the possibility of 1-10 possible murderers in every million of population, and the total flux of transient population.

To some extent, the only factor inhibiting such a calamity is similar to comparing Lebanon of 30 yrs ago to the Lebanon of today.

It seems as though if a certain threshold is broken within modern society, this flood of terror might become unleashed. In our case, not from necessarily any one particular grouping of ideologies.

Unlike Lebanon, the US has fashioned an acceptance of a multitude of diverse extreme groups, any of which might engage in such a lunatic campaign simply by some queer quirk in events and their personality.

Within the purview of Non-governmental organizations and other groups with isolated agendas, many a refuge exists for a handful to several hundred extremists who could feed such a frenzy.

I'm not suggesting some paranoid chaotic obsession, but rather observing what social factors seem to exist in unstable societies versus those elements seemingly stable within our own. Without sincere belief in God, I see nothing really preventing such a chaotic situation other than perhaps the status quo.

If that should change too frequently, and I suspect this is the tide bin Laden is hoping to unleash, except around the globe focused on militant Muslim belief, could surge irreversibly.

If 10 out of a hundred NGOs fostered 5-10 suicidal lunatics to garner political attention by commiting terror as an act to oppose 'establishment', does anybody sincerely believe Jesse Jackson would have the ethics to oppose those acts, ....or would he convolute the terror and media attention to serve a personal agenda?

Would the 2 Congressmen who ventured to Iraq and voice their support of Iraq over Bush have the intestinal fortitude to state unequivacably their disdain for terror, or would they merge their limelight into acquiescent search for militant support?

How many socialist democrats would simply unite in a search for peace ....at the expense of all Constitutional freedom....provided only they could rule?

If this occured,....would there be enough patriots of the Constitution left with level heads to discern, act in defense where necessary, and attack when wise for our system to win?

I suspect things aren't this bad,...but it wouldn't surprise me if a handful of idiots who think the Clintons were their cup of tea, wouldn't be stupid enough to promote and engage in such planning and action.

457 posted on 10/15/2002 7:22:01 PM PDT by Cvengr
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To: Yehuda
bump your post and thread for later reading
458 posted on 10/15/2002 8:33:45 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: NWO Slave
Tomorrow morn. it will be back to wacko militia bubba sixpack playin LIVE nintendo shoot up with his buddy Gomer.
459 posted on 10/15/2002 8:53:09 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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