Posted on 10/15/2002 1:24:36 PM PDT by GeorgiaGuy
VATICAN, Oct 16, 02 (CWNews.com) -- Pope John Paul II will release an apostolic letter on devotion to the Virgin Mary on October 16-- the anniversary of his election to the pontificate-- according to informed Vatican sources.
Leaks from the Vatican, in anticipation of the document's release, suggest that the Pope will introduce five new mysteries to the Rosary. The five new mysteries, the "luminous mysteries," will focus on the public life of Jesus Christ, Vatican sources say. They will be: the Baptism in the Jordan, the temptation in the desert, the proclamation of the Kingdom, the Transfigurations, and the entry into Jerusalem.
The Rosary is a traditional Marian devotion, popularized at first by St. Bernard, later by the Dominican order, and still later by St. Louis Marie Grignon de Montfort. The Rosary is composed of five joyful mysteries (which are recited on Mondays and Thursdays), five sorrowful mysteries (recited on Tuesdays and Saturdays), and five glorious mysteries (Wednesdays, Saturdays, and Sundays.) The five new mysteries would reportedly be used on Saturdays. posted by Brian Barcaro 10/14/2002 08:31:16 AM
Apocalypse 21:27 "There shall not enter into it any thing defiled, or that worketh abomination or maketh a lie, but they that are written in the book of life of the Lamb."
Matthew 12:32 "And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come."
Luke 12:59 "I say to thee, thou shalt not go out thence, until thou pay the very last mite."
1 Corinthians 3:13-15 "Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire."
1 Peter 3:18-20 "Because Christ also died once for our sins, the just for the unjust: that he might offer us to God, being put to death indeed in the flesh, but enlivened in the spirit, In which also coming he preached to those spirits that were in prison: Which had been some time incredulous, when they waited for the patience of God in the days of Noe, when the ark was a building: wherein a few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."
1 Peter 4:6 "For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to the dead: that they might be judged indeed according to men, in the flesh, but may live according to God, in the Spirit."
2 Machabees 12:44-46 "(For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead,) And because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with Godliness, had great grace laid up for them. It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins."
2 Timothy 1:16-18 "The Lord give mercy to the house of Onesiphorous: because he hath often refreshed me, and hath not been ashamed of my chain: But when he was come to Rome, he carefully sought me, and found me. The Lord grant unto him to find mercy of the Lord in that day: and in how many things he ministered unto me at Ephesus, thou very well knowest."
You may be delusional enough to ignorantly believe that upon the end of your earthly life you'll be pure enough to waltz into heaven, contradicting Scripture, but that isn't the case. If you choose, using your own free will, to reject Scripture and the teachings of the Church established by Christ, which existed long before people like Luther and Calvin rejected it, you'll be in for a mighty rude awakening.
How then dare we call Christ "King of the Jews" which is the blasphemous title of the pagan idolater, infanticide and blasphemer Herod?
The Bible is God's holy, inerrant, inspired word. It is our only source of God's Truth...
Really? Where in the Bible does it say that the Bible is our only source of God's Truth? Answer: nowhere. And since the doctrine of sola scriptura is found nowhere in the Scriptures, then it is by your own standards a false doctrine, a mere "tradition of men".
Think about it. The Bible isn't like the latest Stephen King novel; it wasn't published in the form of a book like Joseph Smith's Book of Mormon or L. Ron Hubbard's Dianetics. It's a collection of writings, not a single composition, and even as a collection it didn't exist until a couple of centuries after the Apostles died, when the Catholic Church (under the guidance of the Holy Spirit) standardized the Canon of Scripture and created the Bible as we know it today. Therefore, the Bible cannot have been the "only source of God's Truth" for the early Church -- it didn't exist at the time!
So how did the early Church know God's Truth before the Bible existed? Two ways: From the Scriptures as they existed at the time (the Hebrew Scriptures, known to us as the Old Testament) and by the traditions passed down from the Apostles to their anointed successors. These traditions contained God's Truth as revealed by Jesus to His Apostles, and were the only source of Christian teaching in the first centuries after Christ's ministry on Earth. "I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you" (1 Cor. 11:2). Later, certain of these oral traditions were written down, added to the written accounts of the Gospels, and compiled with selected writings of the Apostles to form the New Testament -- which contains some but not all of the teachings of Christ and His Apostles. Other traditions, such as the order of the Mass, the holidays, etc., were expressed through actions, not words, and have survived to this day in that form.
; My point: the traditions of the Catholic Church are a part of the Deposit of God's Word left for us here on Earth. Without them, the other part of God's Word -- the Bible -- would not even exist.
"We are obliged to yield many things to the Papists(sic) - that they possess the Word of God which we received from them, otherwise we should have known nothing at all about it." Martin Luther, Commentary on St. John Chapter 16.
According to Catholic doctrine, what are all the basic requirements to enter Heaven after death?
1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
No mention of any further purification required. Also, you might consider this before calling someone simpleton:
Matthew 5:22 - But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
? What this has to do with the Rosary, I don't know. Is this trivia night? There are many historical references you can check to get this type of info:
After St. Peter (32-67), there came:
St. Linus (67-76)
St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88)
St. Clement I (88-97)
St. Evaristus (97-105)
St. Alexander I (105-115)
St. Sixtus I (115-125) -- also called Xystus I
St. Telesphorus (125-136)
St. Hyginus (136-140)
St. Pius I (140-155)
St. Anicetus (155-166)
to finish off the first ten. I believe they all died a martyr's death. Why not just give you the rest of the list?:
St. Soter (166-175)
St. Eleutherius (175-189)
St. Victor I (189-199)
St. Zephyrinus (199-217)
St. Callistus I (217-22)
St. Urban I (222-30)
St. Pontain (230-35)
St. Anterus (235-36)
St. Fabian (236-50)
St. Cornelius (251-53)
St. Lucius I (253-54)
St. Stephen I (254-257)
St. Sixtus II (257-258)
St. Dionysius (260-268)
St. Felix I (269-274)
St. Eutychian (275-283)
St. Caius (283-296) -- also called Gaius
St. Marcellinus (296-304)
St. Marcellus I (308-309)
St. Eusebius (309 or 310)
St. Miltiades (311-14)
St. Sylvester I (314-35)
St. Marcus (336)
St. Julius I (337-52)
Liberius (352-66)
St. Damasus I (366-83)
St. Siricius (384-99)
St. Anastasius I (399-401)
St. Innocent I (401-17)
St. Zosimus (417-18)
St. Boniface I (418-22)
St. Celestine I (422-32)
St. Sixtus III (432-40)
St. Leo I (the Great) (440-61)
St. Hilarius (461-68)
St. Simplicius (468-83)
St. Felix III (II) (483-92)
St. Gelasius I (492-96)
Anastasius II (496-98)
St. Symmachus (498-514)
St. Hormisdas (514-23)
St. John I (523-26)
St. Felix IV (III) (526-30)
Boniface II (530-32)
John II (533-35)
St. Agapetus I (535-36) -- also called Agapitus I
St. Silverius (536-37)
Vigilius (537-55)
Pelagius I (556-61)
John III (561-74)
Benedict I (575-79)
Pelagius II (579-90)
St. Gregory I (the Great) (590-604)
Sabinian (604-606)
Boniface III (607)
St. Boniface IV (608-15)
St. Deusdedit (Adeodatus I) (615-18)
Boniface V (619-25)
Honorius I (625-38)
Severinus (640)
John IV (640-42)
Theodore I (642-49)
St. Martin I (649-55)
St. Eugene I (655-57)
St. Vitalian (657-72)
Adeodatus (II) (672-76)
Donus (676-78)
St. Agatho (678-81)
St. Leo II (682-83)
St. Benedict II (684-85)
John V (685-86)
Conon (686-87)
St. Sergius I (687-701)
John VI (701-05)
John VII (705-07)
Sisinnius (708)
Constantine (708-15)
St. Gregory II (715-31)
St. Gregory III (731-41)
St. Zachary (741-52)
Stephen II (752)
Stephen III (752-57)
St. Paul I (757-67)
Stephen IV (767-72)
Adrian I (772-95)
St. Leo III (795-816)
Stephen V (816-17)
St. Paschal I (817-24)
Eugene II (824-27)
Valentine (827)
Gregory IV (827-44)
Sergius II (844-47)
St. Leo IV (847-55)
Benedict III (855-58)
St. Nicholas I (the Great) (858-67)
Adrian II (867-72)
John VIII (872-82)
Marinus I (882-84)
St. Adrian III (884-85)
Stephen VI (885-91)
Formosus (891-96)
Boniface VI (896)
Stephen VII (896-97)
Romanus (897)
Theodore II (897)
John IX (898-900)
Benedict IV (900-03)
Leo V (903)
Sergius III (904-11)
Anastasius III (911-13)
Lando (913-14)
John X (914-28)
Leo VI (928)
Stephen VIII (929-31)
John XI (931-35)
Leo VII (936-39)
Stephen IX (939-42)
Marinus II (942-46)
Agapetus II (946-55)
John XII (955-63)
Leo VIII (963-64)
Benedict V (964)
John XIII (965-72)
Benedict VI (973-74)
Benedict VII (974-83)
John XIV (983-84)
John XV (985-96)
Gregory V (996-99)
Sylvester II (999-1003)
John XVII (1003)
John XVIII (1003-09)
Sergius IV (1009-12)
Benedict VIII (1012-24)
John XIX (1024-32)
Benedict IX (1032-45)
Sylvester III (1045)
Benedict IX (1045)
Gregory VI (1045-46)
Clement II (1046-47)
Benedict IX (1047-48)
Damasus II (1048)
St. Leo IX (1049-54)
Victor II (1055-57)
Stephen X (1057-58)
Nicholas II (1058-61)
Alexander II (1061-73)
St. Gregory VII (1073-85)
Blessed Victor III (1086-87)
Blessed Urban II (1088-99)
Paschal II (1099-1118)
Gelasius II (1118-19)
Callistus II (1119-24)
Honorius II (1124-30)
Innocent II (1130-43)
Celestine II (1143-44)
Lucius II (1144-45)
Blessed Eugene III (1145-53)
Anastasius IV (1153-54)
Adrian IV (1154-59)
Alexander III (1159-81)
Lucius III (1181-85)
Urban III (1185-87)
Gregory VIII (1187)
Clement III (1187-91)
Celestine III (1191-98)
Innocent III (1198-1216)
Honorius III (1216-27)
Gregory IX (1227-41)
Celestine IV (1241)
Innocent IV (1243-54)
Alexander IV (1254-61)
Urban IV (1261-64)
Clement IV (1265-68)
Blessed Gregory X (1271-76)
Blessed Innocent V (1276)
Adrian V (1276)
John XXI (1276-77)
Nicholas III (1277-80)
Martin IV (1281-85)
Honorius IV (1285-87)
Nicholas IV (1288-92)
St. Celestine V (1294)
Boniface VIII (1294-1303)
Blessed Benedict XI (1303-04)
Clement V (1305-14)
John XXII (1316-34)
Benedict XII (1334-42)
Clement VI (1342-52)
Innocent VI (1352-62)
Blessed Urban V (1362-70)
Gregory XI (1370-78)
Urban VI (1378-89)
Boniface IX (1389-1404)
Innocent VII (1406-06)
Gregory XII (1406-15)
Martin V (1417-31)
Eugene IV (1431-47)
Nicholas V (1447-55)
Callistus III (1455-58)
Pius II (1458-64)
Paul II (1464-71)
Sixtus IV (1471-84)
Innocent VIII (1484-92)
Alexander VI (1492-1503)
Pius III (1503)
Julius II (1503-13)
Leo X (1513-21)
Adrian VI (1522-23)
Clement VII (1523-34)
Paul III (1534-49)
Julius III (1550-55)
Marcellus II (1555)
Paul IV (1555-59)
Pius IV (1559-65)
St. Pius V (1566-72)
Gregory XIII (1572-85)
Sixtus V (1585-90)
Urban VII (1590)
Gregory XIV (1590-91)
Innocent IX (1591)
Clement VIII (1592-1605)
Leo XI (1605)
Paul V (1605-21)
Gregory XV (1621-23)
Urban VIII (1623-44)
Innocent X (1644-55)
Alexander VII (1655-67)
Clement IX (1667-69)
Clement X (1670-76)
Blessed Innocent XI (1676-89)
Alexander VIII (1689-91)
Innocent XII (1691-1700)
Clement XI (1700-21)
Innocent XIII (1721-24)
Benedict XIII (1724-30)
Clement XII (1730-40)
Benedict XIV (1740-58)
Clement XIII (1758-69)
Clement XIV (1769-74)
Pius VI (1775-99)
Pius VII (1800-23)
Leo XII (1823-29)
Pius VIII (1829-30)
Gregory XVI (1831-46)
Blessed Pius IX (1846-78)
Leo XIII (1878-1903)
St. Pius X (1903-14)
Benedict XV (1914-22)
Pius XI (1922-39)
Pius XII (1939-58)
Blessed John XXIII (1958-63)
Paul VI (1963-78)
John Paul I (1978)
John Paul II (1978—)
Do I win as prize?
Only if the list was produced from memory, and no errors.
I was asking for an explanation of what the rosary mysteries are or represent, not whether they might be legacy practices.
No, not 'traditions' but instructions, which later became the scriptures. - Their successors were given the full canon of the scriptures by the end of the first century.
When people make comments like these, I always want to ask them if they feel the need to consult their Bibles every time they go the bathroom.
No Scriptural "warrant" for prayer? That's all the Holy Rosary is - meditative prayer of the mysteries of our Lord's Incarnation and Redemption of us. (I understand that there are Bible verses concerning Him). Rosary with or without mysteries? Huh? The Gospel a deception of "utter nonsense"?
The Rosary, like many spiritual pieties and devotions (of Protestants and Catholics alike, I might add), developed over the Centuries precisely because of the Word of God found in Scripture. Does Scripture forbid this? Are we all to understand that we the Scripture
Heehee, ... Would you believe me if I told you it was?
A lot of Protestants simply aren't aware of the obvious contradiction contained in the fact that Luther's doctrine of "the Bible alone" doesn't appear in the Bible.
Nor are they aware that Luther's doctrine would have been impossible in practice before the invention of the printing press in the fifteenth centurey. Prior to that time a hand-copied Bible cost the equivalent of 3 years wages.
Nor are they aware that the Bible calls the Church the "pillar and foundation of truth." We know that the Bible is inspired because Christ's Church tells us so. And we can know that the Catholic Church is Christ's Church with reasonable certainty because of it's two thousand year old, non-contradictory body of doctrine and its unbroken line of successors to Peter who was given the "keys of the kingdom." (see also Isaiah 22:22)
Didn't the smart scientist guy, Oliver was his name I think, in an old "Bloom County" series send in a zillion cereal 'proof of purchase' seals to get this stuff? He made an active thermonuclear bomb for his science project. The teacher had to run a fire drill. I remember it being funny at the time.
This is how we know the Bible is inspired:
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness."
2 Timothy 3:16
No kidding. (heehee) It's like living the Reformation era all over again on a smaller scale. I didn't realize that the title "Papist" still existed. I've never been referred to as that until I came here.
Now what would really be cool is to re-live the Nestorian and Arian heresies again. If only we could dig them up...
Nice try...
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