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Now what in Iraq? (Very Disturbing)
Townhall.com ^ | October 14, 2002 | Robert Novak

Posted on 10/16/2002 9:09:53 AM PDT by Korth

WASHINGTON -- Now that Congress has droned through a week of largely desultory debate to authorize the use of force against Iraq, how will it be exercised? That is properly a military secret, unknown even to members of Congress. More questionable, it is also unknown to senior military officers.

If there is a precise plan for action to remove Saddam Hussein from power, general officers at the Pentagon tell members of Congress that they are in the dark. This may be another example of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld working with a small circle of both official and unofficial advisers, fostering concern among career officers that plans are not being sufficiently reviewed by expert military opinion.

Hawkish civilians, in and out of the government, have been suggesting that Saddam Hussein's elite Republican Guard will throw up its arms in surrender. No serious person believes that. The question is whether an uprising of the persecuted Shia majority will be enough to overthrow the Baghdad regime without heavy application of U.S. force. If there is no effective revolt, the generals and their friends on Capitol Hill worry that the unknown plans may not call for sufficient U.S. forces.

The concern goes to the executive style of Don Rumsfeld, who recalls the forceful and abrasive qualities demonstrated by war secretaries in the mold of Edwin Stanton during the Civil War. To his credit, Rumsfeld has attempted to toughen up the officer corps, softened by standards of political correctness during the eight Clinton years. However, the officers who thought that happy days were here again on the day that George W. Bush became president have been disappointed.

Their disappointment stems from Rumsfeld's inclination, born of a turbulent lifetime in governmental and corporate affairs, to make decisions within a restricted circle. That includes war planning. According to Pentagon sources, the secretary does not consult the uniformed service chiefs. Participating in the immediate planning are Gen. Tommy Franks, commander in chief of the Central Command, and a few officers from the Pentagon's Joint Staff.

What most bothers the generals, however, is Rumsfeld's preference for outside advice. For example, Pentagon sources say a frequent consultant with the secretary is former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, an amateur military expert and member of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board. There is no distribution through the Pentagon of such advice.

Generally, this advice probably follows the longtime line by Richard Perle, the Policy Board's chairman, that indigenous Shia forces will do most of the fighting to dislodge Saddam. That leads to the internal debate over whether 250,000 U.S. troops are needed for combat in Iraq or, instead, a much smaller number will do.

The professional military believes that Saddam's Republican Guard will fight, and that substantial U.S. forces will be needed. Contrary to a widespread popular impression, these elite troops did not surrender at the first sign of American troops in 1991. Saddam, displaying his instinct for survival, had brought his Guard back to Baghdad and placed untrained Shia recruits on the front line in the desert.

One Republican Guard unit, the Hammurabi tank division, was trying to get to Baghdad when it was mowed down by Maj. Gen. Barry McCaffrey's U.S. 24th Division at the Rumaila oil field in the Gulf War's famous "turkey shoot." Saddam decided not to risk his elite units in a hopeless military situation when he figured, correctly, that his regime could survive. His options figure to be different this time.

Officers at the Pentagon cut off from the secretary of defense worry about the Republican Guard conducting a last-ditch defense of Baghdad, using Iraqi civilians as shields. They ask: What are U.S. plans for conducting this kind of warfare, which would inflict a high casualty rate on both sides?

I asked a senior, well-informed Republican member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, who is a strong supporter of President Bush, whether the U.S. military was preparing for war with Iraq with sufficient force to cover all possibilities. "They better have," he replied. When I rephrased the question, he gave exactly the same answer. He does not know, and neither do some gentlemen with four stars on their shoulders.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iraq; middleeast; war
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1 posted on 10/16/2002 9:09:54 AM PDT by Korth
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To: Korth
If there is a precise plan for action to remove Saddam Hussein from power, general officers at the Pentagon tell members of Congress that they are in the dark.

A closely held secret must be closely held.

2 posted on 10/16/2002 9:15:07 AM PDT by Mike Darancette
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To: Mike Darancette
if general officers are yapping...shoot em
and shoot em NOW
3 posted on 10/16/2002 9:17:06 AM PDT by cactusSharp
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To: Korth
Novak is anti-war and he's doing his mite to sway public opinion.

If the brass at the Pentagon are being kept in the dark it's their own fault; they've demonstrated that some of them are not above leaking sensitive information to the media in order to advance their personal agendas.

War planning is no doubt being kept on a need-to-know basis among trusted members of the military and administration.

4 posted on 10/16/2002 9:17:40 AM PDT by quidnunc
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To: Korth

This is not war by committee. You can not please everyone by telling them the plans. You make the decision and then only on a need to know basis distrubute the info.
5 posted on 10/16/2002 9:18:27 AM PDT by jbstrick
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To: Korth
Hawkish civilians, in and out of the government, have been suggesting that Saddam Hussein's elite Republican Guard will throw up its arms in surrender. No serious person believes that.

I consider myself pretty serious and I believe it.

6 posted on 10/16/2002 9:20:30 AM PDT by CaptRon
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To: Korth
I don't know why you would characterize this as "very disturbing." It's not. It is appropriate to worry, perhaps, but we have to assume that our men at the top are in the best position to make the call. Regarding the Newt slam, he is one of the smartest guys around. I think Rummy likes that. It may be true that he is an "amateur" in military matters (I bet he knows more than most "professonals") but he has great expertise in foreign affairs and politics. I would sooner rely on him than on most in the State Department.
7 posted on 10/16/2002 9:20:59 AM PDT by BillCompton
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To: jbstrick
This is not war by committee. You can not please everyone by telling them the plans. You make the decision and then only on a need to know basis distrubute the info.

The point of the article is that amateurs are making the plans without input from the experts.

8 posted on 10/16/2002 9:22:39 AM PDT by Korth
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To: CaptRon
I consider myself pretty serious...

I think he means "important" persons rather than "earnest" persons.

Relax! I'm just busting your chops. Don't take yourself so seriously!
By the way, if you are an important person, mea culpa.
9 posted on 10/16/2002 9:26:10 AM PDT by BillCompton
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To: Korth
I will repeat it again: Novak is an Arab. He casts doubts on the war because he doesn't want to fight Saddam. All the rest is pure BS.
10 posted on 10/16/2002 9:26:36 AM PDT by LarryM
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To: quidnunc
Novak is also full of $hit and increasingly irrelavant. I used to think he had alot of insight. For a guy that displays the typical "inside the Beltway" thinking, he sure is pretty g-ddamned uninformed. So he's upset that he does'nt know the govnernment war plans? Good, he's a blabbermouth anyway. Furthermore, Novak was neighbors and went to church with Robert Jensen, the FBI spy, for years. If he had no idea (he wrote a column about how surprised he was) that an FBI agent lived well above his means while spying for Russia right under his nose, than how the hell can I trust him to make good judgements on other matters?
11 posted on 10/16/2002 9:28:18 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Korth
The reason Rumsfeld gave Afghanistan to Tommy Franks, bypassing the normal chain of command, and now apparently plans to give him Iraq, is that he doesn't trust half the top brass in the Pentagon. And rightly so, because most of them were put there by clinton. And clinton NEVER promoted anyone who didn't support him personally and see eye-to-eye with him ideologically. In fact, clinton usually appointed to key posts only people who had committed felonies and could be blackmailed, which he judged to be the best way to ensure that they would do exactly what he wanted, up to and including treason.

In an ideal world, it would be better to hoe out the Pentagon and fire five or six hundred generals and colonels, including all the sexual harrassment trainers. But in this imperfect world you just ease out a few of the worst and sidetrack the rest of them.

By definition, any of the brass who are leaking to Novak should be fired anyway.
12 posted on 10/16/2002 9:34:28 AM PDT by Cicero
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To: Korth
Participating in the immediate planning are Gen. Tommy Franks, commander in chief of the Central Command, and a few officers from the Pentagon's Joint Staff.

These the amateurs you were referring to?

Novak's problem is that he's out of the loop, along with the usual Pentagon leakers. Too bad for him and them.

13 posted on 10/16/2002 9:34:55 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: LarryM
I will repeat it again: Novak is an Arab.

You are wrong. Robert Novak is jewish.

14 posted on 10/16/2002 9:35:00 AM PDT by Korth
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To: Korth
Now what in Iraq? (Very Disturbing)

The only disturbing thing about this article is that the blatantly pro-Arab Novak honestly believes that the U.S. military is unprepared for Iraq. The Novaks and Buchanans of the world were made to look like fools 11 years ago, and they're setting themselves up again for the same (justifiable) ridicule.

15 posted on 10/16/2002 9:37:01 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Korth
The point of the article is that amateurs are making the plans without input from the experts.

Whether this is actually true or not is unclear, but that is Novak's point of view.

I have one work for this -- Afghanistan.

If this was planned and executed by a bunch of amateurs, hire them.

16 posted on 10/16/2002 9:39:33 AM PDT by B-bone
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To: Korth
Robert Novak is jewish.

LOL....you're pretty funny there, guy. Novak is as Catholic as the Pope, and I believe he's of Polish ancestry as well.

17 posted on 10/16/2002 9:40:07 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Nonstatist
These the amateurs you were referring to?

No, and I didn't say that they were. I am refering to the outside advice that they are using. What most bothers the generals, however, is Rumsfeld's preference for outside advice. For example, Pentagon sources say a frequent consultant with the secretary is former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, an amateur military expert and member of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board. There is no distribution through the Pentagon of such advice.

18 posted on 10/16/2002 9:41:42 AM PDT by Korth
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To: Rye
Novak is a "CNN Conservative"
19 posted on 10/16/2002 9:42:46 AM PDT by aynrandfreak
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To: Korth
The point of the article is that amateurs are making the plans without input from the experts.

It may very well be the point of the article, but it's complete bullsh/t. Novak pulls these "facts" right out of his ass.

20 posted on 10/16/2002 9:43:09 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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