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To: Pokey78
As Western culture becomes more degenerate, more moderate Muslims look at it and choose to go back to stricter observance. The Muslim women who are taking on the veil again -- after their mothers threw it off -- are doing it deliberately.

I'm not defending the Islamists. They are terrible. And you can't ignore the fact that Arabs and other Muslims have a pathological hatred of Jews.

But I am saying that the degeneration of Western culture is hurrying up the process of radicalizing Islam. Especially in Europe, where the gay lobby runs everything. A Muslim woman takes a look at what is going on around her and thinks, I'd rather spend my life wearing a veil than have my sons turn out queer and my daughter behaving like sluts.
11 posted on 10/17/2002 8:33:53 AM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: lady lawyer
But I am saying that the degeneration of Western culture is hurrying up the process of radicalizing Islam.

Yea... so what. Western culture rules kid.

We didn't clean them out in The Crusades or The Gulf War.

They have to be given a terrible beating... no pity. This is a fight against darkness... a quest no less important than defeating Hitler.

They will nuke us sooner or later. They won't use a sniper next time.

With China and N. Korea puffing their chests, we have plenty to worry about.

29 posted on 10/17/2002 9:21:34 AM PDT by johnny7
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To: lady lawyer
But I am saying that the degeneration of Western culture is hurrying up the process of radicalizing Islam.

I suspect that supercilious, vacuous secular humanism is on the Almighty's shit list, behind Communism and Islam.

49 posted on 10/17/2002 10:01:34 AM PDT by TomSmedley
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To: lady lawyer
But I am saying that the degeneration of Western culture is hurrying up the process of radicalizing Islam.

Your honor, it was her short skirt that finally broke down my resistance to raping her.

50 posted on 10/17/2002 10:02:57 AM PDT by Taliesan
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To: lady lawyer
As Western culture becomes more degenerate, more moderate Muslims look at it and choose to go back to stricter observance. The Muslim women who are taking on the veil again -- after their mothers threw it off -- are doing it deliberately.
I'm not defending the Islamists.

Yes, you are.

I see no difference whatsoever between your statement and the looney left's bleatings that the US is cynically fomenting a war for purposes of imperialist greed. In both cases, the pathology of Islamofascist terror is blamed on the victim rather than the perpetrator.

53 posted on 10/17/2002 10:06:24 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: lady lawyer
But I am saying that the degeneration of Western culture is hurrying up the process of radicalizing Islam.

What nonsense. It is precisely the success of Western culture that enrages these medievalist goons... and convinces them that they have to lash out at us now before Western Civilization completely undercuts their power and relegates their way of life to a folkway practiced by a few isolated communities in the backdunes.

58 posted on 10/17/2002 10:14:01 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: lady lawyer
What is wrong with you? There are Muslim Sodomites and Muslim Lesbians, and I have met both. In Kandahar, the Muslim men have ashna's, or boy lovers, even when they are married with children. Muslims just hide things better, and most often do not make it public, for fear of punishment.
78 posted on 10/17/2002 11:25:47 AM PDT by tessalu
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To: lady lawyer
Feh! Is that what you think Muslim women think?

Here's what I think they think every night:

"Ugh...here comes old hogbreath with two weeks sweat stuck to his body and a beard full of bacteria. He's gonna hop on and off, and I'll be pregnant with my tenth brat. God, I wish I were Catherine Zeta-Jones! Or maybe just a lady lawyer".
88 posted on 10/17/2002 11:55:47 AM PDT by Palladin
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To: lady lawyer
Just as it was Hitler, not us; Tojo, not us; Mussolini, not us; and Stalin, not us — so it is now.

It is Islamic fundamentalism, not us; Arab terrorists, not us; and Middle Eastern dictators, not us.

The problem is them and their unelected and unfree regimes, not us — just as it always is when unelected maniacs take control and hijack an entire country and peoples.

And so it is with Islamism. For 1400 years they have been in a war with the "other" that they declared in the Koran. They fight in Kashmir, Bali, Sudan, Israel, America, the Philippines, Somalia, etc. not because of Western decadence, but because that is where the "other" lives. If the West did not exist, they would still be at war with the "other" because that is what they do. Apparently, that is all they do.

If 9/11 was when we awoke to the reality that we are at war, then we should remember that wars usually end when one, not both sides, win.
94 posted on 10/17/2002 12:11:04 PM PDT by polemikos
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To: lady lawyer
Just another example of how sexual immorality isn't a "victimless" sin. There are all sorts of consequences to it, none of them good.
110 posted on 10/17/2002 1:22:08 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: lady lawyer
I loathe Islamofascists and totally support the war effort against them. I also agree with what you say about how the excesses and corruption present in Western society repel many immigrants who might otherwise be inclined to assimilate. The posters who criticized you need to think again. Of course the furthest-gone Musim fanatics hate us no matter what, but our own moral corruption gives them a powerful argument to use on their own moderates. As a wise man said, "Two plus two is four even if Hitler says so".
139 posted on 10/17/2002 3:27:07 PM PDT by TheMole
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To: lady lawyer
But I am saying that the degeneration of Western culture is hurrying up the process of radicalizing Islam. Especially in Europe, where the gay lobby runs everything. A Muslim woman takes a look at what is going on around her and thinks, I'd rather spend my life wearing a veil than have my sons turn out queer and my daughter behaving like sluts.

So the solution is for our society to become as repressed as Wahhabist Saudi Arabia? On the whole, I prefer good old American decadence.

151 posted on 10/17/2002 4:08:26 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: lady lawyer
As Western culture becomes more degenerate, more moderate Muslims look at it and choose to go back to stricter observance.

Oh please. That's like blaming rape victims for having a "come hither" look!

Lots of people from many religions are repelled by some aspects of western culture, but most don't start hijacking airliners to slam into buildings or blowing up resort hotels, etc.

Hell, the so-called "gay lobby" controls a significant portion of downtown Manhattan, but you don't see people going jihad on their asses.

If these creatures don't like it, they are more than welcome to move back to their third-world cesspools and pretend that they're back in the 14th century and that islam roolz. These arrogant bastards need to realize that when they and their families move to another region of the world, they are the ones who are supposed to adapt to the host country, not the other way around.

And I'm a little sick and tired of their whiny demands about "hate crimes" that don't exist, and how few of them condemn the 9/11 attacks without qualifications. Once they start saying crap like "It was horrible, but..." screw 'em. Rationalizers of islamofascist terrorism are just as evil as the perpetrators of it.

165 posted on 10/17/2002 6:14:28 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick
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To: lady lawyer
As Western culture becomes more degenerate,

While I understand your enumeration of cause and effect, I hope you're not entertaining the notion that the Islamists are... that being the idea that the West is more degenerate/sinful than the rest of the world.

191 posted on 10/17/2002 9:00:45 PM PDT by Terriergal
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To: lady lawyer
Especially in Europe, where the gay lobby runs everything.

What do you mean, in Europe?
What lobby do you suppose controls the ethos of the 'mainstream media'?

195 posted on 10/17/2002 9:39:37 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: lady lawyer
But I am saying that the degeneration of Western culture is hurrying up the process of radicalizing Islam.

It is not a cause and effect relation.
It is symmetrical.
An evil force has entered the world.
In the Islamic world it manifests itself as Al Qaeda.
In the West it manifests itself as the filth and degradation of the social environment.
As one increases so does the other.

199 posted on 10/17/2002 9:55:55 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: lady lawyer
Re your # 11But I am saying that the degeneration of Western culture is hurrying up the process of radicalizing Islam.

Oh calm down.

America and American culture is far better now than ever. There is a multitude of wonderful young families who are strong, dedicated to educating their children in traditional values, and who love and serve their country. Scum-bags and degenerates have always been around.....gaining and losing

Islam has been actively fighting western culture for over 700 years....showing no mercy and taking every advantge to kill, pillage, and destroy.....and they, with the singular exception of modern Turkey, have always lost....And they will again.

Islam is simply a political system that has been masking for centuries as a religion. This enables the few to gain power over the truly stupid using the laughable, ramblings of their prophet as their constitution.

Despair gains nothing. Support your Government and particularly the military....its war and we will win in the end.

222 posted on 10/18/2002 2:15:13 PM PDT by rmvh
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