Posted on 10/20/2002 1:46:17 AM PDT by MadIvan
An article by a first-year student criticising what he regards as the anti-semitism tolerated at the United Nations appeared in last week’s Yale Daily News, the paper for the elite American university. If the article was typical fare the response to it was not. The author had touched a nerve and a torrent of anger was unleashed.
“I recently attended a forum focusing on the Israeli/Palestinian issue,” wrote one respondent. “Both sides made valid points but there was a heated exchange when the pro-Israel side initiated the ‘anti-semite’ slur. I am sick and tired of Jewish people always smearing those that merely disagree with their views as ‘evil’.
“I never thought I’d say this but a lot of what the so-called ‘white supremacists’ are saying (is) proving more accurate than I feel comfortable admitting.”
Then there was the recent Not In Our Name rally in Central Park, demonstrating against a potential war against Iraq. Around the edges of the rally copies of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the classic forged document of 19th-century anti-semitism, were being sold. According to the New York Sun, this peddling of anti-semitic tripe was not entirely accidental.
One protester said: “There are interest groups that want Israel to dominate Palestine. If Bush goes with them and is too critical, he might lose their support . . . the international financiers have their hooks in everything.” Ah, those international financiers. Remember them? America’s anti-war movement, still puny and struggling, is showing signs of being hijacked by one of the oldest and darkest prejudices there is. Perhaps it was inevitable. The conflict against Islamo-fascism obviously circles back to the question of Israel. Fanatical anti-semitism, as bad or even worse than Hitler’s, is now a cultural norm across much of the Middle East. It’s the acrid glue that unites Saddam, Arafat, Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Iran and the Saudis.
And if you campaign against a war against that axis, you’re bound to attract people who share these prejudices. That’s not to say the large majority of anti-war campaigners are anti-semitic. But this strain of anti-semitism is worrying and dangerous.
Earlier this year there were calls for America’s universities to withdraw any investments in Israel. A petition at Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Harvard attracted hundreds of signatures, prompting Larry Summers, the president of Harvard, to say that “serious and thoughtful people are advocating and taking actions that are anti-semitic in their effect if not their intent”. He said views that were once the preserve of poorly educated right-wing populists were now supported in “progressive intellectual communities”.
Summers’s argument was simple: why has Israel alone been singled out as worthy of divestment? Critics cite its continued occupation of the West Bank. There’s no question that Israel’s policies there are ripe for criticism and that to equate such criticism with anti-semitism is absurd. Similarly, it’s perfectly possible to argue against Israel’s domestic policies without any hint of anti-semitism. But to argue that Israel is more deserving of sanction than any other regime right now is surely bizarre.
Israel is a multiracial democracy. Arab citizens of Israel proper can vote and freely enter society; there is freedom of religion and a free press. An openly gay man just won election to the Knesset. Compared with China, a ruthless dictatorship brutally occupying Tibet, Israel is a model of democratic governance. And unlike China’s occupation of Tibet, Israel’s annexation was a defensive action against an Arab military attack.
Compare Israel to any other Middle Eastern country — Syria’s satrapy in Lebanon, Mubarak’s police state, Iraq’s barbaric autocracy or Iran’s theocracy — and it’s a beacon of light. To single it out for attack is so self-evidently bizarre that it prompts an obvious question: what are these anti-Israel fanatics really obsessed about?
The answer, I think, lies in the nature of part of today’s left. It is fuelled above all by resentment of the success western countries, and their citizens, have achieved through freedom and hard work. Just look at Israel’s amazing achievements in comparison with its neighbours: a vibrant civil society, economic growth, technological skills, an agricultural miracle.
It is no surprise that the resentful left despises it. So, for obvious reasons, do Israel’s neighbours. The Arab states could have made peace decades ago and enriched themselves through trade and interaction. Instead, rather than emulate the Jewish state, they spent decades trying to destroy it. When they didn’t succeed, Arab dictators resorted to the easy distractions of envy, hatred and obsession.
Al-Qaeda is the most dangerous manifestation of this response; Hezbollah comes a close second. But milder versions are everywhere. And what do people who want to avoid examining their own failures do? They look for scapegoats. Jews are the perennial scapegoat.
This attitude isn’t restricted to the Middle East. In the West the left has seized on Israel as another emblem of what they hate. They’re happy to see Saddam re-elected with 100% of a terrified vote, happy to see him develop nerve gas and nuclear weapons to use against his own population and others. But over Israel’s occasional crimes in self-defence? They march in the streets.
Ask the average leftist what he is for, and you will not get a particularly eloquent response. Ask what he is against and the floodgates open. Similarly, ask the average anti-war activist what she thinks we should do about Iraq and the stammering begins. Do we leave Saddam alone? Send Jimmy Carter to sign the kind of deal he made with North Korea eight years ago?
Will pressurising Israel remove the nerve gas and potential nukes Saddam has? Will ceding the West Bank to people who cheered on September 11 help defang Al-Qaeda? They don’t say and don’t know. But they do know what they are against: American power, Israeli human rights abuses, British neo-imperialism, the “racist” war on Afghanistan and so on. Get them started on their hatreds, and the words pour out. No wonder they are selling the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in Central Park.
Such negativism matters. When a movement is based on resentment, when your political style is as bitter as it is angry and your rhetoric focuses not on those murdering party-goers in Bali or workers in Manhattan but on the democratic powers trying to protect them, your fate is cast. A politics of resentment is a poisonous creature that slowly embitters itself. You should not be surprised if the most poisonous form of resentment that the world has ever known springs up, unbidden, in your midst.
Debating these people may not advance the debate much on the thread, but hopefully it makes it clear to people reading the thread who the unprincipled liars are. And it is an act of homage to the dead of the Liberty.
Do you have any evidence for that claim? I've seen it made numerous times on Liberty threads, but I've never seen any evidence for it.
While on active duty, I was in Air Force signals intelligence (my naval career came later, in the reserves.) I was stationed in Berlin 1970-2, not so long after 1967. I find it inconceivable a U.S. signals intelligence unit overseas could have routed data to an Arab recipient. Technically, we just didn't have a way to route data to such a recipient.
I suppose it's conceivable that somebody in Washington could have done this, or maybe the Brits on Cyprus or in London did. But how could Israel have discovered this, and delivered its demand to Washington in time for any of this? The Liberty was attacked by the Israelis only a few hours after it arrived on station. In any case, to make this claim, you must have some evidence. Do you?
That's the one key question, IMHO. Just what were we doing so close to a conflict if we weren't involved?
No one has answered that question yet.
Do you have any evidence for that claim? I've seen it made numerous times on Liberty threads, but I've never seen any evidence for it.
While on active duty, I was in Air Force signals intelligence (my naval career came later, in the reserves.) I was stationed in Berlin 1970-2, not so long after 1967. I find it inconceivable a U.S. signals intelligence unit overseas could have routed data to an Arab recipient. Technically, we just didn't have a way to route data to such a recipient.
I suppose it's conceivable that somebody in Washington could have done this, or maybe the Brits on Cyprus or in London did. But how could Israel have discovered this, and delivered its demand to Washington in time for any of this? The Liberty was attacked by the Israelis only a few hours after it arrived on station. In any case, to make this claim, you must have some evidence. Do you?
You have seen the claim made numerous times, on "Liberty" threads. Hmmmmm..... from your previous postings on this thread, you seem to be professing a lack of input on this matter? Strange.
Anyway, as you probably know, having followed the umpteen thousand "Liberty" threads here, many of them the playground of rabid neo-nazis now departed, there's some pretty good evidence. There is one thread in particular that used to be in the archives here. I suggest you look it up.
Technically, we just didn't have a way to route data to such a recipient.
Technically, that is one of the most stupid statements I've ever seen. Technically, there are a zillion solutions, of which the simplest one is simply to broadcast on a frequency you know someone is listening on.
If that's a dig at me for being an Oxford graduate, don't you think it's inappropriate in a thread about Andrew Sullivan?
As for what it takes to be all-American, I do not require any lessons, thank you. I am a son of a NYC bus driver from the Bronx, I served four years in the US Air Force, and I was 15 years in the Naval Reserve.
Yes, I admitted seeing the claim made before on these threads that the Liberty was routing intelligence to Arabs, but I also said I have never seen any evidence for that, and in fact I have not. Perhaps you would be kind enough to provide some evidence, if it exists. I think the burden of proof is on you.
Take any issue and determine what a free, rational, Christian would think about it - the Left will always be on the other side. Abortion, homosexuality, business ownership, patriotism - you name it.
Since our society is based on Judeo-Christian ethos, they're opposed. Since Israel is based on Judeo ethos, they're opposed to her existance.
It's a perfect fit with the Islamofascist worldview. Funny how they never notice - NOW is now on the same side as the Taliban, the same side as patriarchial men who viciously oppress women. GLAAD is now on the same side as those who push walls onto homosexuals. Interesting, ain't it!
I thought you preferred this to be a thread about "USS Liberty"??
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