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Tampa Streetcars Running Again
The Associated Press ^ | OCTOBER 20, 2002

Posted on 10/20/2002 3:20:22 PM PDT by Willie Green

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TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — Streecars are running again in Tampa more than 50 years after the original ones were scrapped.

Seven canary-yellow cars powered by 600 volts of electricity clanged along from the Ybor City entertainment district to downtown after being unveiled Saturday morning.

The $53 million TECO Line Streetcar System is modeled after the one dismantled in 1946, which went into service in the late 19th century.

``I've been waiting 18 years,'' said Harris Mullen, co-founder of the Tampa and Ybor City Street Railway Society. ``It's pretty much like we envisioned.''

Organizers expect 950 passengers daily. Another mile of track will extend further downtown later.

The project is funded by grants and other sources from the city.

``It's a blast to see it done,'' said Michael English, president of Tampa Historic Streetcar Inc., the nonprofit group that will operate the system.

Beginning Monday, fares are $1.25 for a one-way, 22-minute ride.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: lightrail; masstransportation

1 posted on 10/20/2002 3:20:22 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: summer
fyi
2 posted on 10/20/2002 3:20:46 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
bttt
3 posted on 10/20/2002 3:22:15 PM PDT by summer
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To: Willie Green
Hmmm.... wonder how soon they'll start laying off employees ;0)
4 posted on 10/20/2002 3:22:31 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Willie Green
"Organizers expect 950 passengers daily"

This is certainly conservative, but let's see if they can manage even that number, once the novelty wears off.
5 posted on 10/20/2002 3:34:10 PM PDT by spoiler2
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To: Willie Green
Quaint, but who is paying for all this? I bet the tax payers have contributed plenty for this trip down memory lane and they will continue to subsidize its operation.
6 posted on 10/20/2002 3:36:35 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: The Great RJ
Quaint, but who is paying for all this? I bet the tax payers have contributed plenty for this trip down memory lane and they will continue to subsidize its operation.

That's cool.

Whether it's a modern replica like Tampa's streetcars, or original, preserved systems like San Francisco's Cable Cars or Pittsburgh's Duquesne and Monongahela Inclines, such systems add a distinctive flair to a city's character and contribute to the general quality of life. As an added benefit, they also perform a necessary function, and usually enhance local commerce beyond what is normally provided as a subsidy.

7 posted on 10/20/2002 4:29:13 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
Although I am libertarian (small l only), I still believe that the government really has to provide fixed transport infrastructure such as roads and local mass transit. I think this may be a good thing: street cars are obviously a lot cheaper than subways, and cars can usually drive over the tracks as the tracks are embedded into the street. Motorcycles may need to be careful.

I don't think the government should provide air transport or long distance bus lines, because these things could be opened up to competition. But local streets can't really be opened to competition.

My understanding is that after WWII, many automobile companies bought the streetcar companies and closed them so that there'd be no competition to cars.

8 posted on 10/20/2002 4:35:50 PM PDT by Koblenz
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To: Koblenz
My understanding is that after WWII, many automobile companies bought the streetcar companies and closed them so that there'd be no competition to cars.

Well, The StreetCar Conspiracy involving General Motors actually goes back to the 1920s. And while many of the allegations are still hotly disputed as to the exact nature and extent of GM's role, it IS true that GM was found guilty in court in of at least some minor infractions of law.

I'm of the persuasion that GM was more heavily involved in getting rid of streetcars than what could be proven in court. GM apologists claim that streetcars simply disappeared because they were less economic. I believe GM bought and shutdown streetcar lines because they wanted to sell both more cars and buses.

9 posted on 10/20/2002 4:59:05 PM PDT by Willie Green
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Wonder if they will have security? Ybor is still not a place I would venture into after dark.
10 posted on 10/20/2002 5:02:06 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: Willie Green
Cool! I remember the tracks running past my grandparent's house on Morgan Street. I think I still have some tokens from the original system.
11 posted on 10/20/2002 5:06:13 PM PDT by stboz
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To: Willie Green
Ah, memories!

We kids used to take the el from the suburbs into Chicago to ride the street cars for hours around the city, taking in the sights. Cost a whole nickel with free transfers! The conductors were mostly Irish Democrat patronage employees. They were kindly old gents. A long-gone shirt-tail relative of mine was a conductor and we called him "Uncle Ding-Dong".

Leni

12 posted on 10/20/2002 5:13:10 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: sarasmom
Wonder if they will have security? Ybor is still not a place I would venture into after dark.

I don't know. I'm not familiar with the area.
I believe that the streetcars have conductors, so there's probably the same amount of "security" that you'd get on a public bus. When I visited the website, I noticed that the conductors don't make change (exact fare only - or use prepaid passes), so that sounds like part of their "security" as well.

Schedule-wise, the streetcars stop running at 11:00 PM, so there is no late-late night security concerns.

But I'm puzzled as to why the schedule doesn't start until 11:00 AM on most days. I'd have thought it would start somewhere between 5:30 ~ 7:00 AM to provide service to the morning-go-to-work people.

13 posted on 10/20/2002 5:23:38 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: MinuteGal
The conductors were mostly Irish Democrat patronage employees. They were kindly old gents.

There's no denying some of the more unpleasant facets of American history,
but on the whole, society does seem like it was somewhat more civil and polite back in "the good old days."

14 posted on 10/20/2002 5:34:39 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
GM bought all the old streetcars and equipment in each city, somewhat like a car salesman buys your trade-in, then piled them all up in heaps and BURNED everything, so there'd be no going back to the old systems.

It was the same hardcore corporate mentality then, as now, with GM, as in- sometimes it's cheaper to buy and destroy your competition than to compete with them.
15 posted on 10/20/2002 5:55:47 PM PDT by spoiler2
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To: Willie Green
This isn't mass transit, it is a tourist attaction. Sounds like they are trying to copy the McKinney Ave. trolley in Dallas (Downtown to the McKinney Ave. bars, with an under construction extension to the north). http://www.flash.net/~steveg3/mata/ or the Riverfront line in New Orleans. (Convention Center - Canal - Quarter).

It sounds like a lot of money for 2.3 miles and less than a thousand folks a day.





16 posted on 10/20/2002 6:14:48 PM PDT by PAR35
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