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Falwell Was Right
The American Prowler ^ | 10/21/2002 | George Neumayr

Posted on 10/21/2002 5:43:33 PM PDT by rickmichaels

If Jerry Falwell had described Quakerism as a violent religion, would Quakers have rioted? Would Quaker preachers have called for his death?

No, because it is not a religion with violent elements. But calling Islam a religion of war is dangerous precisely because elements of violence reside in it. The violent Islamic reaction to Falwell's remarks tends to confirm their validity.

"Shiite Muslim clerics in Lebanon and Iran reacted with rage to Falwell's remarks, and an envoy of Iran's supreme leader called for his death," reported CBS. "Iranian cleric Mohsen Mojtahed Shabestari, addressing weekly Friday prayers in the northwestern town of Tabriz, said the Rev. Jerry Falwell was a 'mercenary and must be killed,' the Farsi-language daily Abrar reported Saturday."

Why is it so politically and diplomatically necessary from the PC point of view to call Islam a religion of peace? Because in many quarters it isn't one. We must all pretend that it is a religion of peace so as not to provoke war.

The requisite apology has now been extracted from Falwell. So we can now safely resume our slumbers.

The West used to condemn Islam and promote Christianity. Now it condemns Christianity and promotes Islam.

The consensus of the entire Christian West for centuries was that Mohammed spread his religion through arms. But in our suicidal sophistication this is no longer an acceptable thought. Falwell is a boob and a bigot, and that's that.

Apparently Edward Gibbon was also gravely confused in The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire when he described Mohammed as a man of arms. Gibbon called him an "eloquent fanatic," said that his "operation of force and persuasion, of enthusiasm and fear, continually acted on each other till every barrier yielded to the [Muslims]," and observed that "his voice invited the Arabs to freedom and victory, to arms and rapine, to the indulgence of their darling passions in this world and the other."

Poor Gibbon. He just didn't have the benefit of a subscription to the New York Times. Now he would know that Mohammed was a seventh-century Gandhi.

And what can be said of Thomas Aquinas and Hilaire Belloc? In Summa Contra Gentiles, Aquinas describes Islam as a false and dangerous religion, which combines truths with "fables," twists the Old and New Testaments into a "fabrication" of Mohammed's own, and seduces "people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh urges us."

Aquinas said Mohammed's claim as God's prophet rested on the "powers of his arms" -- not a very convincing sign of holiness since it is a sign not "lacking even to robbers and tyrants."

Nor was Aquinas impressed by Mohammed's followers: "Those who believed in him were brutal men and desert wanderers, utterly ignorant of all divine teaching, through whose numbers Mohammed forced others to become his follower's by the violence of his arms."

Belloc said the same, writing that Islam began "with the attack of a very few thousand desert horsemen, who were as much drawn by desire for loot as by their enthusiasm for new doctrines… There was no organization, and the moment the first bands had succeeded in battle, the leaders began fighting among themselves: not only fighting, but murdering… The Mohammedan temper was not tolerant. It was, on the contrary, fanatical and bloodthirsty. It felt no respect for, nor even curiosity about, those from whom it differed. It was absurdly vain of itself, regarding with contempt the high Christian culture about it. It still so regards it even today."

Today's Western intellectuals know better. They are sure that Islam can be squeezed into their own worldview as long as everyone negotiates with Muslim countries and speaks nicely about them.

Western intellectuals have found a new totalitarianism to be dupes for, and a new outlet for hatred of their own culture. Jerry Falwell is a fool, they say. But what could be more foolish than assuming harsh truths will go way if you just ignore them?


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KEYWORDS: religionofpeace
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1 posted on 10/21/2002 5:43:33 PM PDT by rickmichaels
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To: rickmichaels
BTTT
2 posted on 10/21/2002 6:19:17 PM PDT by Michael2001
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To: rickmichaels; All
OMG is the West finally going to wake up?

Perhaps if Karl Marx had said that Communism was a religion we might all be Communist by now...

You know, not all Nazis are bad, only the fanatical ones.

3 posted on 10/21/2002 6:22:27 PM PDT by expatguy
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To: rickmichaels
Have any of you ever noticed that the Saudi Flag has a Sword on it... isn't Saudi Arabia an Islamic Nation??? Can you imagine what would be said if we had an m-16 on our flag! Think about it!
4 posted on 10/21/2002 6:28:11 PM PDT by carolina rebel
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To: rickmichaels
Have any of you ever noticed that the Saudi Flag has a Sword on it... isn't Saudi Arabia an Islamic Nation??? Can you imagine what would be said if we had an m-16 on our flag! Think about it!
5 posted on 10/21/2002 6:29:46 PM PDT by carolina rebel
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To: rickmichaels
Falwell was spot on and wussed out under pressure. That's the disappointing part.
6 posted on 10/21/2002 6:33:06 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution
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To: rickmichaels
We often wonder why more Muslims don't speak out against the terrorist attacks around the world. They're scared to death of their fellow worshippers in the "religion of peace," that's why!
7 posted on 10/21/2002 6:53:37 PM PDT by Calpublican
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To: ApesForEvolution
Falwell is a Patriot. Long live Jerry Falwell. Too bad we have so few like Falwell that will say it like it is.
8 posted on 10/21/2002 6:58:08 PM PDT by southland
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To: Calpublican
Actually, now there are some supposedly "moderate muslims"
speaking against the violence of the "extremists."

How can we believe muslims when their holy book
tells them to make contracts that they are supposed to break
when the time is right for them to rise up again.
It's right there spelled out in their koran war manual.

"Oh! Time out! Please, let's fight those naughty extremists together!
Please, join together,
we are a religion of peace didn't you know?
Show me the tolerance!!!!
We can work together if you just acknowledge this "time out" for peace."
(So, mission accomplished, the Jihad's over for the strategized time planned.)

"Oh! Time in! You lose!
You are such the naive fools!
You don't deserve to live.
Unless you convert and disavow all but the moon god, that is."

"Thanks for believing us 'moderates,' you dumb saps!
Now we want it all,
just like you fools couldn't see in black and white in the koran war manual."

9 posted on 10/21/2002 7:02:25 PM PDT by Taiwan Bocks
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To: southland
The Islamic response to Falwell was to riot in India and murder Hindus. Such is Islami logic. Islam must be rolled back!
10 posted on 10/21/2002 7:02:45 PM PDT by Ukiapah Heep
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To: southland
Did you forget his backpeddle? That's what was disappointing.
11 posted on 10/21/2002 7:05:43 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution
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To: Calpublican; All
We often wonder why more Muslims don't speak out against the terrorist attacks around the world. They're scared to death of their fellow worshippers in the "religion of peace," that's why!

Not true, the majority of so called moderates view the extremists as being holier (closer to God) than they are. They are sympathizers for the most part, unwilling to make the sacrifices that the extremists make.

An analogy might be comparing myself to Mother Theresa. I might agree with what she does and respect her, but I dont want to live my life by making the same sacrifices that she does.

12 posted on 10/21/2002 7:08:30 PM PDT by expatguy
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To: carolina rebel
Have any of you ever noticed that the Saudi Flag has a Sword on it . . .

There is a public fountain in Teheran that sprays water tinted red to simulate blood. I have always thought that was macabre.

13 posted on 10/21/2002 7:11:37 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: rickmichaels
Muslims worldwide have already declared war on America. The sooner we realize that the war is with ALL followers of Islam, the better off we will be.
14 posted on 10/21/2002 7:21:39 PM PDT by fogarty
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To: fogarty
" Muslims worldwide have already declared war on America. The sooner we realize that the war is with ALL followers of Islam, the better off we will be."

Exactly right . They are bent on world domination .

15 posted on 10/21/2002 7:39:45 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: rickmichaels
It is always easier to be a critic than to be on the front lines like Falwell and others. And, I do not really know what Falwell said except from a few news accounts. However, having said that, when I first heard the supposed quote I thought of King David. He too was involved in violence and some would say terror. I certainly would have been terrorized had I known he was coming after me like he did many Philistines. If violence alone were the criteria for a Terrorist, many fine, honorable people would fit that role. My point is, I think Falwell could have gotten his point across more effectively by quoting and/or focusing on Mohammed’s views on forcing his religion on others through violence if necessary. Let others draw their own conclusions on whether that labels him a Terrorist. The label is not near as important as his violent philosophy of forcing his religious views on others. At least some of his later followers did exactly that, all the way into Spain and beyond. Others can say the Crusaders did the same. Many of us Christians however, would contend that at worst the Crusades were a misguided mistake and at best an honorable attempt to reclaim the Holy Land. In any case, it is not representative of Christianity as a whole. Others may also point out the Inquisitions as a violent policy towards others with a different religious view. True, but again, not a representation of Christianity as a whole. Unfortunately, if you happen to be on the receiving end of some of that violence, you probably would not care one bit whether such actions were representative of the whole or not. Therein is the problem; attaching broad labels to groups or even individuals is sometimes difficult to defend. Pointing out specific behaviors and statements that lend themselves to certain labels is often more effective.

But as a wise man once said, ‘it is not the critic that counts…’


Oh, by the way, I believe King David was a great but often typical man. His decendent and Lord will initiate even greater and more violent actions. Unfortnuately, that is what it will take to finally overcome the rebellion of man.
16 posted on 10/21/2002 7:56:27 PM PDT by Mizpah
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To: Conservative_Dr.Pepper_Drinker
I don't think he actually apologized. He said he was sorry that the statement was made public.
18 posted on 10/21/2002 8:15:33 PM PDT by babaloo999
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To: rickmichaels
"If Jerry Falwell had described Quakerism as a violent religion, would Quakers have rioted? Would Quaker preachers have called for his death?

Now THAT is a quote worth repeating!!

19 posted on 10/21/2002 8:18:22 PM PDT by keithtoo
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To: ApesForEvolution
I believe Falwell calculated that an anemic apology was the price to pay to keep from being blackballed by the media. And without the media he has no voice.

It may have been worth the backpedaling, to keep his voice and message accessible to the mass audience. Maybe not.

But I doubt Falwell folded just because a bunch of heathen a&&holes were pissed at him.
20 posted on 10/21/2002 8:19:16 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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