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Gun Control’s Twisted Outcome: Restricting firearms makes England more crime-ridden than the U.S.
Reason OnLine ^ | November, 2002 | Joyce Lee Malcolm

Posted on 10/22/2002 5:58:44 AM PDT by SJackson

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To: AxelPaulsenJr
The people with backbone in England must really feel frustrated to see what is happening to their country."

Nah. When I was last in the country a couple of years ago, as soon as I arrived a pal had arranged for me to have a suitable handgun available for my use, with the understanding that if I *lost* it or had to use it, I'd bought it, at a fairly premium price.

Had I wished, I could have had a Kalishnikov rifle or British Army L2A3 Sterling submachinegun, easily enough carried under the usual common raincoat. But the former East German Secret Police 9mm Makarov pistol I picked was just fine, as was the .38 revolver I had available during the preceeding trip.

Those *hard men* and former soldiers have little difficulty getting whatever hardware's required to suit their needs; it's only the lowest of the sheep who've been disarmed. And those who now must remain outside the law for their own protection realize too that their government is in no way legitimate or in any way really concerned with the welfare of those drones it can't or won't protect. Like the criminalas against which some Britons have armed themselves, they're just another gang of thugs, though a touch better dressed. Next trip over, I'll likely go for something a bit heavier, though.


21 posted on 10/22/2002 7:46:14 AM PDT by archy
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To: SJackson
The murder rates of the U.S. and U.K. are also affected by differences in the way each counts homicides. The FBI asks police to list every homicide as murder, even if the case isn’t subsequently prosecuted or proceeds on a lesser charge, making the U.S. numbers as high as possible. By contrast, the English police "massage down" the homicide statistics, tracking each case through the courts and removing it if it is reduced to a lesser charge or determined to be an accident or self-defense, making the English numbers as low as possible.

First, I am disappointed that the author could not produce an "adjusted" comparison. That would have been interesting.

Second, I wonder if the same circumstance exists for rape? Now that we have "date" rape, "acquaintance" rape, you looked at me wrong rape, etc. How does the US really compare to England?

22 posted on 10/22/2002 10:32:37 AM PDT by 11th Commandment
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Second, I wonder if the same circumstance exists for rape? Now that we have "date" rape, "acquaintance" rape, you looked at me wrong rape, etc. How does the US really compare to England?

Certainly reporting methods can be different, though I suspect muggings, assault, and robbery don’t lend themselves to the same type esoteric distinctions as rape.

I think the most telling stats are the growth rates since the gun ban, and sure, there could be other factors contributing. But a 40% two year increase in use of handguns in crime, 53% over 4 years in robberies, and a doubling of violent crime, all dating from the ban, certainly prove that it didn’t achieve it’s objective or lowering the rate of violent crime, and in fact probably contributed to an increase.

23 posted on 10/22/2002 11:00:42 AM PDT by SJackson
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Second, I wonder if the same circumstance exists for rape? Now that we have "date" rape, "acquaintance" rape, you looked at me wrong rape, etc. How does the US really compare to England?

Certainly reporting methods can be different, though I suspect muggings, assault, and robbery don’t lend themselves to the same type esoteric distinctions as rape.

I think the most telling stats are the growth rates since the gun ban, and sure, there could be other factors contributing. But a 40% two year increase in use of handguns in crime, 53% over 4 years in robberies, and a doubling of violent crime, all dating from the ban, certainly prove that it didn’t achieve it’s objective or lowering the rate of violent crime, and in fact probably contributed to an increase.

24 posted on 10/22/2002 11:02:22 AM PDT by SJackson
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Schumer, Fienstien, Boxer, Pelosi, Kennedy, Naddler, Clinton, Lautenberg, Brady, DNC, et al ... ARE YOU LISTENING??????

Of course not.

Their dream of an emasculated, effete, sheeple living in their socialist utopia is more important than any empirical evidence or fact.
25 posted on 10/22/2002 11:27:52 AM PDT by spodefly
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To: John Robertson
Ms. Malcom is one of the foremost authorities on the subject.
26 posted on 08/21/2005 9:56:32 AM PDT by marktwain
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