Posted on 10/24/2002 3:00:11 PM PDT by shrinkermd
You quoted the statement from LBDSM:
I believe "terrorists" have been waging war against human beings on many fronts long before Osama ever minced his way onto the world scene. And architecture is evidence of it...
I responded:
I believe Osama did more than "mince" onto the scene, there are 3,000 dead bodies to attest to that fact.
The only evidence of architecture that was involved in this terrorism were the Twin Towers and the Pentagon.
So yes, the evil Islamic thugs are terrible so-and-sos (we get an earful in our SSPX chapel as do you). But that is just an outcome, a consequence of our already having lost ourselves. We can only partially blame those who take advantage of our having already lost ourselves -- and those internal enemies who have pushed this process along.
As you well know, the definition of poverty is never wanting to accumulate anything more than you need - it's in the Beatitudes in today's Gospel. Equally as important is the fact that we are taught that one must work for what one needs and to go without what we can't afford or what we don't need. Gold chains, cell phones, pants worn below the waist, free health care, stealing from parking meters - what the hell do these thugs want from the rest of us who work our butts off to get the things we need. Architecture indeed. You could put them in a villa on the Riveria and because they possess the morals and ethical values of a pack rats, their behavior would not change.
Murder may be different but I believe the general level of crime is higher in France than America.
This is one of the most interesting thing about internet discourse--its utter futility.
So many things that are so obvious to me seem utterly hidden to others reading the same text. I guess this is the true fruit of "multiculturalism". That we no longer speak the same language although the letters, words and sometimes even the syntax are the same. We no longer respond to the same metaphors or recongnise the same concepts underlying our assumptions. EVERYTHING has to be negotiated or explained in precise detail. And even then we never seem to reach a common understanding.
There never has been, on earth, a civilization like the one that Europe created. In 1914 they stood at what appeared to be the apex of human achievment. Instead it was a precipice. A precipice that the "elite" of that glorious civilization embraced.
Why did they do that? Why are the American "elite" embracing a similar fall down the precipice for our culture--not as "brilliant" as Europena culture once was, but filled with incredible decencies? Why?
How can you not see, Orual, that IS the topic at hand? That is Darlymple's life work in his writing--the melancholoy chronicle of the destruction that Western Elites have wrought upon the civilization that bred them.
The thugs and misfits in French progressive housing complexes have been GIVEN PERMISSION by FRENCH ELITES to defecate upon La Belle France!! Just as the thugs and misfits in our country have been given permission. Remember Radical Chic-- the essay by Tom Wolf chronicling he embrace by rich white people of the Black Panthers? Who do you see wetting their panties as they gush about the wonderful uplifting work done by the Nation of Islam on NPR? Rich white women, of course.
You want to stick to THE TOPIC AT HAND? You woundn't recognise THE TOPIC AT HAND if it fired at you from its bushmaster as it crouched in the nearby woods.
Just keep serpentining and hoping for 3% tax break.....
So many things that are so obvious to me seem utterly hidden to others reading the same text.
Ah, to be blessed with such insight, such intellectual prowess. If the discourse is so futile, why do you stick around? Such a bore to try to discuss deep and earth-shattering concepts with so many dolts who do not recognize the subtext. I'd stick to Aristotle and Plato if I were you - it's obvious that they are your intellectual equals. The scratch-and-burp crowd are sooooooooooooo dumb.
As long as they refrain from excessive farting, I will hang in there.....
Is that really the issue? Why would you expect Islamic immigrants imported mainly for the purpose of servile labor, to feel any responsibility toward what is to them a foreign culture? Does Islamic culture have a history of encouraging the idea of individual responsibility? How is it that the architects of France's immigration policies failed to address those issues?
My concern is not with immigration architects, but the architects who design buildings where it is here alleged that it is their fault because of the style of the apartments that these thugs live in. If you can explain anything the French do logically, you are a better man/woman than I, and better than almost everyone. Our immigration policies stink, too.
Nailing oneself to a cross does not a martyr make...
100 per cent true. Romanians and other Eastern Europeans are just desperately poor; give them a chance to stand on their own feet, and they'll be happy to become part of us. This usually happens to the second generation of Eastern European immigrants.
It's totally different story with any Muslims. The more educated they become, the more they hate us. That's why the weakest point in T Dalrymple's otherwise excellent article is this:
Unless it assimilates these millions successfully, its future will be grim. But it has separated and isolated immigrants and their descendants geographically into dehumanizing ghettos...
Muslims' isolation everywhere - in New Zeland too - is of their own making. They don't want to mix up with infidels. They're unassimilable, especially the Arabs.
Boy, they cannot be assimilated even in other Arab countries - look at Palestinian camps in Lebanon. Lebanese don't want them also, so the disdain and loathing are mutual.
And some of the Muslims just aren't good for anything except dealing in drugs, arms, white slaves... Albanians and Chechens are good example.
I'm afraid, it'll be too late when our meek society comes to understanding that the infested areas of our cities should be desinfected, decontaminated, fumigated... this task is too tough for the bleeding heart liberals.
They'll choose to convert to Islam.
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