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Feds allege man linked to sniper case sought silencer talked to witness about causing damage
The Associated Press via nj.com | 10/24/02 6:55 pm | John Solomon

Posted on 10/24/2002 4:37:26 PM PDT by freeperfromnj

WASHINGTON (AP) -- John Allen Muhammad, an Army veteran linked to the Washington-area sniper shootings, tried to equip an assault rifle with a silencer four months ago and told a friend about the damage such a weapon could cause, federal authorities allege in court documents.

"Can you imagine the damage you could do if you could shoot with a silencer," the court papers quote Muhammad as telling his former Army buddy, Robert Edward Holmes. Holmes was interviewed by the FBI this week.

The court papers, obtained by The Associated Press, were filed this week in federal court in Seattle as the sniper task force was preparing to arrest Muhammad on a federal weapons violation. They make no mention of the sniper attacks but do shed light on Muhammad's involvement with weapons.

The papers include the government's arrest warrant application for Muhammad and list three aliases: John Williams, Wayne Weeks and Wayne Weekley.

The papers alleged Muhammad violated a court protective order obtained by one of his ex-wives when he purchased or obtained a weapon identified as a semiautomatic .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle.

That rifle uses the same caliber ammunition as those police have said have been used in the sniper attacks that left 10 people dead and three wounded.

Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents determined that Muhammad filed a form that transferred the weapon on or about May 23, 2000, from a gun shop in Tacoma, Wash., where he was living at the time.

"The rifle John Allen Muhammad possessed on May 23, 2000 must have come into the state of Washington from outside the state," the court papers allege.

The court papers also detail information that Holmes provided the FBI in an interview on Tuesday concerning three events in which he witnessed Muhammad possessing or talking about guns. The papers said the two men knew each other since November 1985 when they both served at Fort Lewis Army Base outside Tacoma.

The papers state that Muhammad visited Holmes' residence in Tacoma three times over the last six months. The first time Muhammad and an unidentified associate displayed an AR-15 assault rifle and at least one other rifle, authorities alleged.

On the second occasion, four months ago, Holmes "saw Muhammad in possession of an AR-15 assault rifle with a scope which he carried in a silver, aluminum briefcase," the court documents stated.

During that conversation, Muhammad indicated he was planning to take the weapon to a firing range to "zero it" so that the scope and rifle barrel were aligned for accurate shooting, the court papers said.

Holmes told the FBI he saw Muhammad in possession of a book on making a silencer or sound suppressor for a weapon and at that time made his comment about the damage such a weapon could cause.

Holmes told authorities that Muhammad had "left several items at Mr. Holmes' residence which had been used by John Allen Muhammad in his attempt to build a silencer for the AR-15," the court records said.


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It doesn't get much more premeditated than this.
1 posted on 10/24/2002 4:37:27 PM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: freeperfromnj
If ANYONE on FreeRepublic still believes that the 20,000 gun laws on the books do ANYTHING to protect you, the above should be the final proof that gun laws do nothing to stop criminals.

The murderer bought his rifle in the year 2000, yet despite all manner of restrictions and gun control, he was able to purchase it illegally. You can be sure if he could not purchase it illegally one way, he would have obtained it in another way.

Gun control has NO effect on your safety. I hope you all understand that now. I know most here already did, but there are some who did not -- until now! Here is your proof.

2 posted on 10/24/2002 4:51:55 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: freeperfromnj
Holmes told the FBI he saw Muhammad in possession of a book on making a silencer or sound suppressor for a weapon and at that time made his comment about the damage such a weapon could cause.

Holmes told authorities that Muhammad had "left several items at Mr. Holmes' residence which had been used by John Allen Muhammad in his attempt to build a silencer for the AR-15," the court records said.

I would expect Holmes will be doing time also, since he knew about it.

/john

3 posted on 10/24/2002 4:52:24 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper
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To: freeperfromnj
This is a bad guy and I hope "The Nation" catches some of this as well.
4 posted on 10/24/2002 4:54:25 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: freeperfromnj
John Allen Muhammad, an Army veteran linked to the Washington-area sniper shootings...
The press whores always start out on the left foot. Let's try this:
John Allen Muhammad, a Nation of Islam member linked to the Washington-area sniper shootings...

5 posted on 10/24/2002 5:03:19 PM PDT by thedugal
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To: freeperfromnj
A silencer is completely worthless unless the weapon is capable of firing subsonic ammunition.
6 posted on 10/24/2002 5:03:33 PM PDT by AF68
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To: freeperfromnj
Hmm. I guess I wasn’t aware that they had subsonic rounds in .223. But I guess they do. Even .308.
7 posted on 10/24/2002 5:07:27 PM PDT by NUCKLEHEAD
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
"The murderer bought his rifle in the year 2000, yet despite all manner of restrictions and gun control, he was able to purchase it illegally. You can be sure if he could not purchase it illegally one way, he would have obtained it in another way."

Excuse me, but he bought it LEGALLY. To quote the article:

"Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents determined that Muhammad filed a form that transferred the weapon on or about May 23, 2000, from a gun shop in Tacoma, Wash., where he was living at the time."

The "form" is the 4470, which is filled out any time a person buys a firearm from a federally licensed firearms dealer.

""The rifle John Allen Muhammad possessed on May 23, 2000 must have come into the state of Washington from outside the state," the court papers allege."

Now, THIS part of the article is really stupid. Since the rifle is not manufactured in Washington state, OF COURSE, it came into the state of Washington from outside the state.

Of course, if his status was such that he could NOT have purchased it legally (which it was NOT), he certainly COULD have obtained the firearm illegally--probably from the black market around Fort Lewis. Lots of military hardware is said to be "lost", when in fact, it moves into/onto the black market.

8 posted on 10/24/2002 5:07:44 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: NUCKLEHEAD
When you go subsonic, say goodbye to flat trajectories. Better redesign the bullet to mushroom at lower impact energy, too. A subsonic .223 is little more than a .22.
9 posted on 10/24/2002 5:11:14 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Wonder Warthog
The "outside the state" comment simply establishes the interstate commerce element necessary in order to bring Federal laws into play to prosecute him.
10 posted on 10/24/2002 5:13:32 PM PDT by mvpel
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To: freeperfromnj
This is pure BS. The guy has killed and/or conspired to kill 12 people, and they are going to try to nail him for the violation of a restraining order?
11 posted on 10/24/2002 5:14:30 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: AF68
A silencer is completely worthless unless the weapon is capable of firing subsonic ammunition.Not true. The suppressor still hides the muzzle blast from the rifle. The bullet still makes noise, yes, but the people can't hear where the bullet is coming from, which makes escape easier. It makes it harder to pinpoint the shooter's position. And it reduces recoil a little and makes it easier to keep the scope on the target for followup shots.

Suppressors are especially useful in urban areas.

12 posted on 10/24/2002 5:17:59 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: freeperfromnj
Converted Black Muslim alert!

Security guard for Farrakan's "Million man march".

Farrakan alert!
13 posted on 10/24/2002 5:44:00 PM PDT by MonroeDNA
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To: JRandomFreeper
"I would expect Holmes will be doing time also, since he knew about it."

This article doesn't mention it, but I believe Holmes is the owner of that Tacoma duplex they searched yesterday. Not only was he aware of the attempt to make the silencer, but it's pretty clear (from the bullet-ridden stump in the backyard) that Muhammad was actually testing the silencer there at Holmes' house. Holmes gave permission for the search without a warrant, which suggests that he's very eager to cooperate—if he's lucky, and plays meek and repentant well enough, he may get away with nothing harsher than a stern lecture.

14 posted on 10/24/2002 5:59:41 PM PDT by Fabozz
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To: xm177e2
Since building a suppressor was beyond his skills, he just used the whole car as a suppressor. Very effective.
15 posted on 10/24/2002 6:05:03 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: xm177e2
Since building a suppressor was beyond his skills, he just used the whole car as a suppressor. Very effective.
16 posted on 10/24/2002 6:05:38 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
Gun control has NO effect on your safety.

You are wrong. Gun control does very much affect my safety.

Adversely!

17 posted on 10/24/2002 6:12:19 PM PDT by CharacterCounts
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To: Wonder Warthog
Federal firearm violations often require that the gun have "moved in interstate commerce," so the indictment has to charge that the gun crossed state lines. Usually proof that the particular model ( or specific gun) is not manufactured in the state where there is evidence that it existed, is usually enough, but that's why that fact is in the court papers.
18 posted on 10/24/2002 6:18:15 PM PDT by BohDaThone
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To: freeperfromnj
The papers include the government's arrest warrant application for Muhammad and list three aliases: John Williams, Wayne Weeks and Wayne Weekley.

His last alias, Wayne Weekley, was the name of a war hero.

19 posted on 10/24/2002 8:35:30 PM PDT by JohnathanRGalt
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To: AF68
A silencer is completely worthless unless the weapon is capable of firing subsonic ammunition.


you are absolutly correct
20 posted on 10/24/2002 8:55:07 PM PDT by blackbag
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