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Sniper Suspect Obtained a Rifle Despite a Restraining Order and Gun Laws
New York Times ^ | October 26, 2002 | FOX BUTTERFIELD

Posted on 10/26/2002 7:25:44 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy

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To: MissAmericanPie
The guns laws are enforced about as well as the borders are prtected. Instead of these law makers trying to come up with new laws they should first work on enforcing the ones that are in place or admit that the ones they have are not working.
21 posted on 10/26/2002 9:31:54 AM PDT by Mixer
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To: coloradan
We also have that the license plate on the car was traced 10 times by the various dragnets after the sniper shootings ... even though the plate was issued to a car not matching the description of the one it was actually placed on.

Sounds less like "slipping through the fingers of law enforcement" than "incompetence".

22 posted on 10/26/2002 9:48:41 AM PDT by Seruzawa
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Call your representatives. Demand they make a federal law making it illegal for any criminal to break the law. That ought to solve our problems - another law.

Shhhh!

Don't give the liberals any ideas.  They don't have any of their own and they don't understand sarcasm.  They'll think you're serious.  I've seen so many bills introduced in Congress, that had appeared as sarcasm on a FR post a few months earlier, that I am convinced that many of the Dems troll FR for ideas, but aren't smart enough to distinguish sarcasm from rational thought.

If the Dems introduce a bill in the next session to make it illegal to break the law, it'll be your fault.

 

23 posted on 10/26/2002 9:51:25 AM PDT by Action-America
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To: Bubba_Leroy
I have always contended that if you believe that gun control will prevent gun crimes then you must also believe that there is no cocaine in the United States.

And the Libs would have us believe that even though tons of illegal drugs enter America every day, the smugglers will never bring guns.

24 posted on 10/26/2002 10:13:43 AM PDT by TC Rider
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To: MissAmericanPie
Assult Weapon (their defination not mine) , Black Rifle, Politically Evil, socialists version of a WMD for its alledged ability to spray bullets and kill willy nilly (no, not the little penguin on cartoons) and again it is the bottom feeding socialcrats target versus the POS murdering killer trash themselves.............

With this type of reasoning why isn't GM held accountable for the Chevy they were driving ? Mrs Potato Head Brady was begging for money the other day............I guess I'll donate some to NRA-GOA-SAS-Texas State Rifle Association ect ect and write my polidiots and nooooze presstitutes as to why I do such.

Stay Safe Miss Pie !~

25 posted on 10/26/2002 10:57:54 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: CHICAGOFARMER

Would post the full article instead of excerpt. I will not read nor comply with giving my personal informaiton to a scumbag like the new york times.

Here!  Here!  Absoposilutely!

The NY Slimes uses the information that they gather at their login to boost their readership and thus their advertising rates.  Newspapers make NO money (none - nada - zilch) off of their subscriptions.  Their income is based solely on advertising, which is a product of subscriptions and street sales.  Every time that you login to their web site, it boosts their readership and thus, their advertising rates.

Those who feel that they just must login to the NY Slimes or other liberal media sites, should at least, mark their household income as "under $20,000" and their job as "other".  Advertisers know that they can't sell nearly as much to those at or below the poverty line, as they can to someone who makes a good living.

Also, most large media corporations that collect your email address and tell you that they will not sell your email address to any outside company, usually don't tell you that they have numerous subsidiaries (often including an ad agency or two) that they freely share that data with.  Although I can't say if the NY Slimes does this, it is a very common practice in all areas of the news and entertainment media.  You give them your email address, in confidence and a few weeks later, you start getting a whole bunch of spam.  But, backtrack the spammer and check his ownership and you will often find that it's the parent company of the media source that you gave your email address to.  They have complied with their very carefully worded privacy policy.  Sly b^$t^rd$.

BTW, speaking of spam, I recently installed and can wholeheartedly recommend iHateSpam, by Sunbelt Software.  While looking for the name of the company a moment ago, I ran across an interesting counter in the software.  It seems that since I installed it (set to the default "medium" detection level), only 9 or 10 spams (my count) have made it into my mailbox, while iHateSpam caught and quarantined 1597 spams (from the counter - make that 1599, since it just reported two more), without a single valid email being quarantined.  I used to scan the quarantine folder once a week for possible valid email, but having never found one, I no longer do even that.  Furthermore, I set it to bounce the spam that it catches and I am just now noticing a significant reduction in the amount of reported spams that it reports.  I really don't like the idea of letting the spammers know that I have iHateSpam installed, by bouncing spam, since by doing so, I am allowing them so spend their money and bandwidth on more productive addresses.  But on the other hand, if enough people would do that, it would cut down on the overall Internet bandwidth usage and eventually make spamming unprofitable.  I forget what I paid for it.  But, it was cheap.

At any rate, like you, I have never logged in to the NY Slimes or any other blatantly liberal newspaper web site and I never will.  I don't want to be responsible for them making even one extra penny.

 

26 posted on 10/26/2002 11:35:16 AM PDT by Action-America
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To: Bubba_Leroy
RIGHT ON!!Their(The Victims)Families Will Be So RELIEVED!!!!Thank God For Sara Brady!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
27 posted on 10/26/2002 11:48:43 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: Action-America
Now I see you understand my reason.

Thanks for the spim spammer.
28 posted on 10/26/2002 1:54:20 PM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Sniper Suspect Obtained a Rifle Despite a Restraining Order and Gun Laws

And now he has been arrested for that violation and will doubtless be punished for it.

29 posted on 10/26/2002 2:05:45 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Amazing for law abiding citizens to have a background check just for excerising a constitutional right!
30 posted on 10/26/2002 2:16:39 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Apparently, the perp bought the gun at a gun store in Washington state. He also filled out a form 4473, declaring himself not to be a prohibited person. So, that means there was a monumental screw-up in reporting his history of domestic violence to the screening database.

Sure sounds similar to White Trash Kathleen Kennedy Townsend calling for more gun control, while she did nothing to insure there wereadequate background checks in Maryland. Of course, KKT is White Trash, she is a Kennedy.

31 posted on 10/26/2002 2:28:38 PM PDT by punster
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To: Bubba_Leroy
The rifle should get the death penalty, it did it. (sarcasm)
32 posted on 10/26/2002 3:32:24 PM PDT by pankot
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To: punster
"He also filled out a form 4473, declaring himself not to be a prohibited person."

WHAT?? HE LIED ON FORM 4473??? INCREDIBLE!!

What's this world coming to when criminal snipers don't fill out the forms correctly?

</sarcasm off>

33 posted on 10/26/2002 3:36:54 PM PDT by Bob Mc
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34 posted on 10/26/2002 3:37:04 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: TC Rider
Sarah Brady went to Delaware and bought a rifle for someone as a gift. She broke the gun laws in Delaware. No matter.
35 posted on 10/26/2002 3:44:17 PM PDT by oldironsides
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To: MissAmericanPie
I'm with you, these background checks just give a false sense of security to those who believe in them. I just went through an ordeal with a former "friend" who had bought guns at gun stores...I saw the paperwork. I thought, well, at least he doesn't have a criminal history...WRONG. I recently located (after totally being ripped off and terrorized by this nut) 3 felonies.....none showed up, they were out of state. I am told by another gun dealer that they really only run these checks in state much of the time.

Face it, our entire "record" system is a shambles. Have you had a credit report done lately???? I used to run a credit bureau back in the stone age...we were many times more precise with paper and pen.

36 posted on 10/26/2002 7:09:35 PM PDT by AuntB
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To: AuntB
AuntB, it's so good to see you. I haven't seen you around in some time. I haven't had a credit check in some time, but I did have a little something happen a few years ago. I hope maybe some of the men reading this will tell me if it's normal procedure.

My husband loves to bird hunt, this particular year Browning had come out with a new shotgun with a gold trigger, so I decided to buy one for his Christmas. Then I decided to buy two because I felt another family member would love to have one also. So I did, I bought two of them. A little time went by and I got a call from the F.B.I. An agent was asking me about the serial numbers things like that. When I said that I would have to call him back when my husband got home because I wasn't sure where he kept his paper work on the gun, the agent freaked a little bit.

He thought he had been talking to the store where I bought the guns, and didn't realize he was talking to the gun buyer. Someone had mistakenly switched phone numbers on the form between my number and the store number.

He was really angry about it. So when you say that these background checks usually stay in state, it makes me wonder. Is it the F.B.I. that checks your criminal background, because, if not, then perhaps I was flagged for buying two guns at one time. It would seem to me if your "friend" had been checked through the F.B.I. then his felonies would surely have shown up, if it's not normal to run the checks through the F.B.I., then why was the F.B.I. checking on my purchase?

37 posted on 10/26/2002 7:41:22 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
I don't know, Miss Pie, I think it's just a matter of who is handling the paper work at the time. That simple, that sad. I called the FBI and asked them HOW this could happen and they told me to call BATF in Portland, that BATF does the checks. I didn't call, because I am WAY past my long distance limit this month!

Good to see you too, I've been away from the forum for the most part, taking care of personal business (translates=messes!!!LOL!)

38 posted on 10/26/2002 7:59:47 PM PDT by AuntB
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To: MissAmericanPie
I do not know the answer to your question but I have a couple of observations based on your experience. First, the methods of data collection are very error prone. If they can goof on the telephone numbers, they can goof on the serial numbers too. Second, the methods are very manual in nature. This leads to a large government expense, which of course results in more taxes to you and me. It also is a root cause of mistakes.

There is something amiss in the scale of effort demonstrated to process the paperwork, in my opinion. If it were something large and relatively expensive or dangerous, such as a 18 wheeler truck or a box of dynamite, I could see such individualized care being justified. But two shotguns for personal use...?

Doesn't the FBI have something more important to do, such as going after criminals?

39 posted on 10/27/2002 12:33:35 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: Seruzawa
"Sounds less like "slipping through the fingers of law enforcement" than "incompetence".

The problem is that LEO's sitting hours in unmarked cars on IS rest stops, mall parking lots, watching for a beat up $200 Chev, maybe blue , with maybe these licence plates, with maybe some bad guys in, with maybe a rifle doesn't match pullin over trucks, manhandling white inoccent drivers, walking round with balaclavas, yellow slicks screaming POLICE and appearing in background shots on the news, looking tough, walking tall and acting out fantasies of NYPD etc.,

It just needs a trucker and two hours. This guy deserves a bonus in $ from everyone in Montgomery County, etc., By the way, have we had mug shots, names, educational history, war record, of this guy? Is Fox, CNN crawling across broken glass so Connie and all the rest can interview this wquietly fubctioning hero? You bet your sweet ass they are not.
Count me in $100 on a fund for this guy, I can't organise here. The Unsung Hero of the Beltway.
I note he blocked the exit of the rest stop with his truck - probably got a ticket.
40 posted on 10/27/2002 1:41:35 AM PST by unending thunder
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