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UK Emergency Room patients 'wait up to three days' (socialized medicine alert)
UK Telegraph ^ | 29/10/2002 | Nicole Martin

Posted on 10/28/2002 5:01:36 PM PST by Mark Felton



Patients are waiting up to three-and-a-half days in casualty departments before they are admitted or discharged, despite Government claims that waits of more than 24 hours have been eliminated, say doctors' leaders.

The British Medical Association yesterday said the Department of Health was deceiving taxpayers with "overly optimistic" results on waiting times. The findings in its BMA survey were "unacceptable".

Patients in one in five casualty departments were waiting more than a day and one in three reported waits of more than 12 hours, said the survey of 160 casualty consultants. The doctors represented 40 per cent of Britain's accident and emergency departments. The longest wait was 84 hours at an unnamed hospital.

The Department of Health claims nearly 80 per cent of patients in casualty are admitted or discharged within four hours. By December 2004, it says, all patients will be offered a bed within four hours.

But the report accused the Government of misleading the public. The findings showed that half the consultants questioned disputed the claims on discharge or admission within four hours .

John Heyworth, president of the British Association for Accident and Emergency Medicine, which helped run the survey, said the waits were unacceptable for patients and relatives . "The situation places intolerable pressures on medical and nursing staff."

Dr Liam Fox, shadow health secretary, said: "It shows, yet again, that the gap between ministers' rhetoric and the reality of today's NHS is huge."

The report, Waits and Measures: Improving Emergency Care for Today's Patients, cited severe shortage of beds and staff shortages as among the main reasons for the delays.

The health department said its figures were compiled by the Audit Commission in 2000.

23 October 2002: Patients at risk in push to cut waiting list, says surgeon
21 October 2002: Hospital blames house prices for staff shortages
9 October 2002: Surgeons paid overtime to reduce waiting lists
18 September 2002: Public confidence in NHS 'eroded by waiting lists'
15 September 2002: Revealed: the hidden queues to see Britain's family doctors
10 August 2002: Labour waiting list claims denounced
5 June 2001: Waiting lists are fiddled - official


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: socializedmedicine
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1 posted on 10/28/2002 5:01:36 PM PST by Mark Felton
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To: *Socialized Medicine
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2 posted on 10/28/2002 5:11:30 PM PST by Free the USA
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To: Mark Felton
But it's FREE!!!

Of course, their taxes are astronomical, and the only solution the officials will come up with will be to ask for more funding which translates into even higher taxes, but it will still be FREEEEEEE!!!!! And gosh darn it, health care is a RIGHT!!!

3 posted on 10/28/2002 5:26:49 PM PST by Lizavetta
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To: Mark Felton
My British cousin waited 2 years for knee surgery, debilitated and in pain the entire time. They screwed up the operation and made one leg shorter than the other. Now he can't hike, dance, ski etc
4 posted on 10/28/2002 5:37:19 PM PST by Eowyn-of-Rohan
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To: Eowyn-of-Rohan
Though not yet so bad here, Y E T !, more & more of us US citizens are just helpin' ourselves & each other with our health as if there were no Dr.'s & Hospitals.
5 posted on 10/28/2002 6:25:06 PM PST by norraad
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To: Eowyn-of-Rohan
Hope he has someone to lean on....
6 posted on 10/28/2002 6:32:27 PM PST by Enemy Of The State
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To: Lizavetta

"Are you willing to spend time studying the issues, making yourself aware, and then conveying that information to family and friends? Will you resist the temptation to get a government handout for your community? Realize that the doctor's fight against socialized medicine is your fight. We can't socialize the doctors without socializing the patients. Recognize that government invasion of public power is eventually an assault upon your own business. If some among you fear taking a stand because you are afraid of reprisals from customers, clients, or even government, recognize that you are just feeding the crocodile hoping he'll eat you last.

~Ronald Regan October 27, 1964~


7 posted on 10/28/2002 6:38:55 PM PST by Enemy Of The State
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UK Emergency Room patients 'wait up to three days' (socialized medicine alert)

Wonder if this has anything to do with that opinion poll that showed a majority
of folks in the U.K. would love to get the h-ll out of the U.K.?

Three-day wait? Oh well, this just means that the NHS docs will have their consciences
salved when not prescribing antibiotics for folks with life-threatening bacterial infections.

By they time they get in...they'll be dead, so the issue will be moot.
8 posted on 10/28/2002 6:43:21 PM PST by VOA
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To: Lizavetta
Take the sedative or psyhcoactive agent of your choice and repeat after me -

Socialism Is Wonderful, I LOVE Socialism, Anyone who disagrees should be sent to the work camp, Socialism Is Wonderful, I watch CNN and listen to NPR all the time, I LOVE Socialism, I agree that I have NO right to privacy about my health care, Socialized medicine is God's gift to humanity, I agree that it is my moral duty to give ANY percentage of my income to pay for the health care of my fellow citizens while I myself, being self-employed, am denied health care - while US customs (under direction of the FDA) siezes my diabetes prescription that I mail-ordered in a last-ditch effort to avert my own death. My own death is the LEAST that I can offer in exchange for the great blessing of socialized health care.

I will vote for any democrat who.... etc....etc.....

God help us all.

9 posted on 10/28/2002 6:45:46 PM PST by XLurk
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To: Enemy Of The State
We can't socialize the doctors without socializing the patients.

We can't socialize the doctors without socializing the patients.

We can't socialize the doctors without socializing the patients.

That very sentence should burn in real good with everyone because you can substitute the word "doctors" with just about any open-to-the-public function and the word "patients" with the word "citizens"  and any such variation will be true.

 

 

 

 

10 posted on 10/28/2002 6:52:08 PM PST by TLI
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To: Enemy Of The State
If some among you fear taking a stand because you are afraid of reprisals from
customers, clients, or even government, recognize that you are just feeding the crocodile hoping he'll eat you last.

~Ronald Regan October 27, 1964~

Damn! Bush is good but Ronny-Ray-Gun was OUTSTANDING....

11 posted on 10/28/2002 6:57:43 PM PST by TLI
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A three day wait...,in the emergency room! Just how many dead bodies does that add up to?

I wrote a column about Hilary Care for the Orange County Register about a decade ago. I pointed out that foreigners got health care in Canada ahead of Canadians because they paid money. I would not be surprised if it is the same situation in Britain.
12 posted on 10/28/2002 7:03:11 PM PST by redheadtoo
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To: Mark Felton
Adding to my collection of socialized medicine bookmarks.
13 posted on 10/28/2002 7:04:12 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: XLurk

I will vote for any democrat who.... etc....etc.....

God help us all.

 

Thats just it.  G*D will not help commies.

Remember the little ditty? The good Lord helps those that help themselves?

Even G*D doesn't like commies... that's GOTTA  be rough!

14 posted on 10/28/2002 7:09:06 PM PST by TLI
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To: TLI
...Thats just it. G*D will not help commies. ..

And you have hit upon another pertinent point.
Liberals have raised government to the level of Deity.
You may NOT pray to a Christian God, but you MUST worship the almighty government.

God help us all.

15 posted on 10/28/2002 7:27:24 PM PST by XLurk
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To: Mark Felton; All
Yep. Socialized medicine is a nightmare. Take it from an American living in Britain. A real shame for Britain and real "third world."

Check out this earlier post of mine! It's horrible and TRUE!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/770128/posts
16 posted on 10/29/2002 4:12:47 AM PST by UKCajun
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To: UKCajun; Mark Felton; All
I've felt dr-ill for 40yrs
By EMMA MORTON

A PENSIONER told last night how he suffered 40 years of agony after doctors left a drill bit in his leg. The 2cm chunk of metal lodged in Henry Wright’s right thigh after a botched operation in 1957.

But a string of medics mistook his problems for arthritis and advised him to take pills to ease the pain.

Henry, 70, revealed: “It would ache in the evening until the next morning and stopped me from sleeping. I tried lots of different GPs but they all told me I had arthritis.”

Henry’s nightmare began after surgery to straighten his thigh bone at the Royal London Hospital in Whitechapel, East London.

Five years later mechanic Henry felt painful twinges which got worse. Henry, of Biggleswade, Beds, said: “It got so bad that I couldn't run about with my two children.

"I went on holiday to Greece, France and Spain but couldn't walk very far because of the pain.”

His wife Jean, 62, said: “He did everything from having hot baths to warming rubs. Painkillers never did any good.”

It wasn’t until 1998 that Henry’s new GP suggested an X-ray.
The scan — taken at the Lister Hospital, Stevenage — revealed the drill bit which was later removed.

Henry said: “I never dreamed there could be anything inside and thought it was a problem with the bone. I've never felt better.”

Henry is now claiming compensation from East London and City Health Authority.



Photos at http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2002551974,00.html
17 posted on 11/30/2002 2:33:15 PM PST by mountaineer
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