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PRESIDENT BUSH PLACES U.S. TROOPS UNDER A FOREIGN UN COMMANDER [GEORGIA]
Toogood Reports ^ | Oct. 30, 2002 | Cliff Kincaid

Posted on 10/30/2002 3:59:17 AM PST by madfly

At a time when President Bush is pleading with the United Nations for permission to wage war on Iraq, he has assigned U.S. troops to wear U.N. uniforms and report to a foreign U.N. commander.

The pro-U.N. policy represents a violation of a Bush campaign promise and the 2000 Republican Party platform. It also represents a continuation of a policy that began under former President Clinton, who ordered the prosecution of a U.S. Army soldier who refused to join the U.N. Army.

The United States Military Observer Group in the Pentagon confirms that U.S. soldiers wear U.N. blue berets and U.N. shoulder patches as members of UNOMIG – the United Nations Observer Mission in the country of Georgia. Soldiers ordered assigned to this mission wear this U.N. uniform. What´s more, they receive a United Nations physical examination before deployment to the mission and the U.N. pays some expenses associated with it. The purpose is to supervise the cease-fire between Georgia and Abkhazia. The U.S. troops take orders in the mission from a foreign commander named Major-General Kazi Ashfaq Ahmed of Bangladesh. After their service, members of UNOMIG may receive a ribbon described as "Central stripe of UN blue, flanked by white and green stripes, with dark blue edges."

President Clinton´s order to U.S. troops to wear a U.N. uniform was extremely controversial, unpopular, and alleged to be illegal and unconstitutional. House Majority Whip Rep. Tom Delay sponsored a bill to prohibit the wearing of a U.N. uniform by U.S. service personnel. This bill was a reaction to the case of U.S. Army soldier Michael New, who had refused to wear a U.N. uniform and was court-martialed and discharged for bad conduct by Clinton.

Such a bill was considered unnecessary under President Bush because he – and the Republican Party – had made it absolutely clear that he would never order U.S. troops to serve under U.N. command. "I will never place U.S. troops under UN command," candidate Bush said in his speech at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, Simi Valley, California, November 19, 1999. The 2000 Republican Party Platform declared that "…American troops must never serve under United Nations command."

My 15 year-old son wrote a report on this matter. He said:

"What is a hero? What acts do they do? They do many things: championing a good cause, going beyond the call of duty, and acting wisely under pressure to name just a few of the good things that heroes do. My paper is on Michael New; a soldier who refused to comply with unconstitutional orders from a higher command and then was discharged from the army because of it.

"In July of 1995, Army specialist Mike New was informed that his infantry would be going to Macedonia as part of a ‘peacekeeping´ operation. In August, he was told that his unit would be required to wear a U.N. beret and patch. He was told the order to wear the U.N. uniform was lawful because ‘the president said so therefore it is.´ But nobody ever provided a legal rational for this. Eventually, a battalion briefing offered the justification that ‘We wear the U.N. uniform because it looks fabulous.´ He refused to wear the uniform. In his oath, he said he would fight for the U.S., not the U.N. or some other foreign power. But Bill Clinton had ordered this without even Congress´ approval and he knew it was unlawful. This, he knew, violated his oath as a soldier. He didn´t wear the uniform like everybody else was doing. Instead Michael New did what was right and what was just, and by not wearing that uniform, risked everything.

"In terms of going beyond the call of duty, I believe Michael New went far beyond the call of duty. Now only was he willing to fight, he was also willing to put everything on the line to do what was right. And if he had to do it all over again, he would.

"Michael New definitely risked his life, future, and reputation by saying no to this illegal order. He knew that he would be court-martialed for doing what was right. His case is still in the courts. He was discharged from the army for ‘Bad Conduct.´ He knew that he could have gone to jail and that he´d have that mark on his record. But those were sacrifices he was willing to make for the good of the country. Michael New faced scrutiny from military officers. Yet he still stands strong in his belief that when you sign up for the U.S. military, you aren´t fighting for the U.N. of for some foreign regime; you´re fighting for America.

"He serves as a calling to my higher self because he acts wisely under pressure. He also does the right thing even though he knows the consequences. Michael New is willing to stand up for what is right. I admire these traits a lot and how he, with a promising military career ahead of him, decided he´d do the right thing and end up having to give it up. "In conclusion, I believe that Michael New is a great person. He shows leadership, champions a good cause, and fights for what is right. He acts wisely under pressure and risked his future for the country."

My son recognized a basic truth that has been lost on President Bush. The President must reverse course, order our troops out of their U.N. uniforms, and reaffirm their commitment as U.S. soldiers dedicated to protecting the U.S. Constitution.

To comment on this article or express your opinion directly to the author, you are invited to e-mail Cliff at antiun@earthlink.net .




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To: Prodigal Son; Dane; Carry_Okie; RedBloodedAmerican; xzins; A Navy Vet; Smile-n-Win; rstevens; ...
"The thing that disturbs me about this discussion on FR is the distortion of the facts." Prodigal Son.

You have nailed the problem with FR in general. I just took the time to read the entire article (most people in FR respond to headlines, and rarely read the articles), and every response.

There have been several people, people in a position to give facts pertinent to this situation, explaining what this is all about. But no one is listening to them. The sad truth, the white elephant in the living room, is the fact that FReepers rarely concern themselves with the truth.

The vast majority of the posters here, including the Liberal jackass insisting on calling President Bush "shrub", have an agenda.

They are here spreading dissent, at the behest of their handlers, in the wake of elections.

To those of you that provided information to clarify the "author's" allegations, thank you for holding the truth above rhetoric.

Coto, you are an unadulterated ass.

161 posted on 10/31/2002 9:31:12 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: michigander
"...the Administration is actively involved in negotiating a draft international convention at the United Nations to provide a special international convention at the United Nations to provide a special international status for individuals serving in peacekeeping and peace enforcement operations under a UN mandate... "

"...The post-Cold War world has also witnessed the emergence of peace enforcement operations involving the threat or use of force. These missions have been considerably more challenging than traditional peacekeeping operations, yet the U.S. and the UN are only now beginning to change sufficiently the way they manage peace operations. The expansion of peacekeeping operations without a commensurate expansion of capabilities has contributed to noticeable setbacks. If the U.S. is to support the full range of peace operations effectively, when it is in our interests to do so, our government , not just the UN, must adapt... "
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"Special international status" would give United Nations military forces immunity from prosecution, even if they murder citizens within the United States. That wouldn't be just foreign troops, either. United States military forces, if operating under the authority of the United Nations, would be able to commit acts that are illegal under United States law, with no fear of sanctions. Don't tell me it could never happen here. Waco happened here, live on national television.

"Our government must adapt?" Our Constitution provides for "adaptation" within our governmental structure. That provision does not include adaptations to our internal government made through international treaty.

162 posted on 10/31/2002 10:58:37 PM PST by exodus
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To: A Navy Vet
Sorry - But my reading and yours differs a bit.
Article II, Section 2, paragraph 2

He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.

Please show me where the President has the authority to transfer absolute authority and control of the US Military to some other nation and/or entity ??
163 posted on 10/31/2002 11:31:03 PM PST by Coto
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To: Non-Sequitur
I'm a-waitin' on you to provide that answer....

My copy of the Constitution doesn't provide for the military to worship two governing entities.
164 posted on 10/31/2002 11:33:08 PM PST by Coto
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"...insisting on calling President Bush "shrub", have an agenda....

I'll call 'em as I see 'em - don't care if it hairlips Hell

"...Coto, you are an unadulterated ass..."

....ouch....I gotta get a Band-aid....
you hurt my feelin's...

Idjit3

165 posted on 10/31/2002 11:37:36 PM PST by Coto
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To: Wallace T.
"...every serviceman since the founding of this republic, swore an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States and to obey the lawful orders of the President and his superior officers. His oath did not require him to obey the orders issued by foreign commanders (in this instance, a Turk) on behalf of a foreign power (in this case, the U.N.)..."

So nice to see that some folk Get It !! !!

Bravo !!

166 posted on 10/31/2002 11:41:32 PM PST by Coto
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To: Coto; KentuckyWoman
That's it....I'm done

This site is just like I've been warned

As long as you play nicey-nicey, and swallow everything that proceedth from the mouth of anyone named Bush, all's well with the world.

So, everyone of the Partyline BushBots just sit back and enjoy the ride as dear ol' GW continues the dreams & wishes of Herr Klinton.

His Patriot Act was only a response to UN Resolution 1373 - he will cry to the UN for everything...instead of taking responsibility for his own hide...just like PaPa.

Shrubs don't grow too far from the tree - and GW's shadow is indistinguishable from the previous Bush's....complete with all of the plans of His "New World Order" that he was so proud of in his State of the Union speech.

I shudder to think what would've happened if Spotted Alore had won...that's why I actually voted for GW instead of Gore. But he has yet to impress me with any single action.

167 posted on 10/31/2002 11:56:38 PM PST by Coto
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To: Coto
"Please show me where the President has the authority to transfer absolute authority and control of the US Military to some other nation and/or entity??"

This is what makes you an ass, and a propagandist.

The President never "transfers absolute authority and control of the US Military" to anyone, at any time.

Even when he attaches units or individuals to a multi-national task force, he retains command authority. He can order them to come home at any time he so desires.

For troops of the Nations participating in any multi-national joint mission, maintaining autonomy in the field would be fatal, armies need a clear chain of command.

168 posted on 11/01/2002 12:05:26 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Dave in Eugene of all places
To: exodus
"...If what is described here is altogether true, I don't like it. I don't understand why the US so often does what the UN wants when it's contrary to our interests. Anybody have a clue that doesn't mention the bilderburgers or the freemasons or whatever??
# 158 by Dave in Eugene of all places
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Well, yes.

The Democrats are liberals, which is the same thing as saying that they're socialists. Sadly, the Republicans are also liberals, they just lie and say that they aren't. The goal of both parties is the same goal socialists have always had; complete control of the entire world, under the command of one central government.

True, what the U.N. wants is contrary to our best interests. That doesn't mean that our government's interests are contrary to the interests of the United Nation's.

169 posted on 11/01/2002 12:05:34 AM PST by exodus
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To: Non-Sequitur; Coto
"How is service with the United nations a violation of that oath?"

HEY! That's a good question!

What do you say Toto?

170 posted on 11/01/2002 12:09:13 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez; Coto
To: Coto
"...The President never "transfers absolute authority and control of the US Military" to anyone, at any time. Even when he attaches units or individuals to a multi-national task force, he retains command authority. He can order them to come home at any time he so desires. For troops of the Nations participating in any multi-national joint mission, maintaining autonomy in the field would be fatal, armies need a clear chain of command.
# 168 by Luis Gonzalez
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What provision of the Constitution gives our President the authority to share his military power with a foreign government?

Yes, armies do need a clear chain of command in time of war. However, we are not at war, and haven't been since the end of World War 2. Every United Nations "police action" that we have ever participated in has been illegal on our part, including the war Bush waged against the nation of Afganistan.

Sending our country into battle on the order of a foreign power is un-Constitutional.

171 posted on 11/01/2002 12:20:18 AM PST by exodus
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To: Luis Gonzalez; Non-Sequitur; Coto
"How is service with the United Nations a violation of that oath?"
To: Non-Sequitur; Coto
HEY! That's a good question! What do you say Toto?
# 170 by Luis Gonzalez
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"I swear to uphold the Constitution of the United States, except where it interferes with my duties as a member of the military forces of the United Nations."

172 posted on 11/01/2002 12:27:06 AM PST by exodus
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To: harrowup
To: exodus
"...We should never be part of any international Peace operation with military forces. We are a target because for too many years we were always King and the chairman and the CO...and we are rich.

Some people think that we should try to be more cooperative with the United Nations. It is dumb but it isn't against the law...unless you think Congress can take away the President's CIC role...(Michael) New was an ass.
# 149 by harrowup
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The President has broad war powers, in wartime. We are not legally at war.

In time of war, I have no problem with the President putting our troops under the command of a foreign ally, and I would expect them to follow that commander's orders quickly and faithfully.

In peacetime, the rules are different.

In peacetime, our President's power as Commander in Chief is limited. He isn't allowed to go adventuring on his own initiative. Without a Declaration of War, a President assuming war powers as Bush did is a violation of the Constitution, and of his oath to uphold that Constitution.

Michael New was and is a Hero to me. The oath is your promise to be faithful to the Constitution. If it had been me, and believing as I do that the United Nations is an evil organization, and an enemy of our nation, I would have made the same argument.

173 posted on 11/01/2002 12:58:16 AM PST by exodus
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To: Non-Sequitur; Coto
To: Coto
Yes, well aren't we all so very lucky to have you around to interpret who has violated their oath and who has not. What about News's oath to obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over him? Or doesn't that count?
# 102 by Non-Sequitur
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You don't think that Michael New understood what he meant when he took the oath? Wouldn't he be considered the expert on his loyalties, and what he believed would violate those loyalties?

The oath promises to defend the Constitution and obey the orders of his superiors. The word "and" is an inclusive term. An oath-taker promises to defend and obey, not defend or obey.

If his orders force him to decide which is more important to him, following an illegal order or the Constitution, don't be surprised when a volunteer military man errs on the side of freedom.

174 posted on 11/01/2002 1:36:19 AM PST by exodus
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To: Coto
"Please show me where the President has the authority to transfer absolute authority and control of the US Military to some other nation and/or entity ??"

That wasn't my arguement. I was referring to your post saying NEW had a duty to uphold the Constitution more than follow orders from the CiC. The Article I cited shows the President has Constitutional authority to enter into treaties (agreements). The US has written agreements with the UN to assist in peace-keeping duties. Michael New was not defending THAT part of the Constitution.

This is all moot. Didn't you see the above posts about US commanders NOT relinquishing authority over their troops to UN commanders? It's all been explained above why New has been found guilty. I don't care for the Marxist UN people and I especially don't like the idea of US troops playing cop, but New disobeyed a "lawful" order.

175 posted on 11/01/2002 3:12:30 AM PST by A Navy Vet
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To: Coto
I'm not sure which Constitution you are reading but the one I'm familiar with is silent on the subject. Which clause is it that forbids service with the United Nations? Some specifice please because if you're right then I must be missing something.
176 posted on 11/01/2002 3:40:28 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: exodus
You don't think that Michael New understood what he meant when he took the oath? Wouldn't he be considered the expert on his loyalties, and what he believed would violate those loyalties?

His position did not give him the authority to decide what is an illegal order and what is not. New made his decision and judged that being ordered to serve with the UN was an illegal order. It turns out he was wrong, it was not an illegal order or a violation of his oath. He took his stand and paid the price for it. IMHO he should shut up and accept the fact that he was wrong and deal with it.

177 posted on 11/01/2002 3:44:13 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: exodus
So, answer the question without the red herrings and the strawmen.
178 posted on 11/01/2002 5:21:16 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: exodus
He's not "sharing" anything, US troops are participating in a joint mission. I'm not in the mood for a circle-jerk here, so either give a precise answer, or go away.

I tell you what, the constitution of the United States doesn't give the president the right to take a vacation either, but they all do.

"Every United Nations "police action" that we have ever participated in has been illegal on our part, including the war Bush waged against the nation of Afganistan"
That's another bit of lying and propagandizing.

Show me where in the constitution it limits the use of the United States Armies to declared Wars.

179 posted on 11/01/2002 5:30:48 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: carenot
"You talkin' about the ones made in China? "

Yea, out of tin foil. Familiar with them?

180 posted on 11/01/2002 7:13:56 AM PST by elfman2
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