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To: APBaer
Is Energy the Key?

"To create any kind of upward, complex organization in a closed system requires outside energy and outside information. Evolutionists maintain that the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics does not prevent Evolution on Earth, since this planet receives outside energy from the Sun. Thus, they suggest that the Sun's energy helped create the life of our beautiful planet. However, is the simple addition of energy all that is needed to accomplish this great feat?"12

"Compare a living plant with a dead one. Can the simple addition of energy make a completely dead plant live?"

"A dead plant contains the same basic structures as a living plant. It once used the Sun's energy to temporarily increase its order and grow and produce stems, leaves, roots, and flowers - all beginning from a single seed."

"If there is actually a powerful Evolutionary force at work in the universe, and if the open system of Earth makes all the difference, why does the Sun's energy not make a truly dead plant become alive again (assuming a sufficient supply of water, light, and the like)?"

"What actually happens when a dead plant receives energy from the Sun? The internal organization in the plant decreases; it tends to decay and break apart into its simplest components. The heat of the Sun only... speeds(link)---the disorganization process."

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The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is just as valid for open systems as it is for closed systems, says John Ross, Harvard University:

"...There are no known violations of the second law of thermodynamics. Ordinarily the second law is stated for isolated systems, but the second law applies equally well to open systems."

[John Ross, letter in Chemical and Engineering News, Vol. 58 (July 7, 1980), p. 40.]

52 posted on 10/30/2002 11:41:56 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
"...There are no known violations of the second law of thermodynamics. Ordinarily the second law is stated for isolated systems, but the second law applies equally well to open systems."

Unfortunately when this quote is put in context it shows the exact opposite of what you intended. See this page, under the "Open vs. Closed Systems" heading. Ross was correctly stating that open systems do follow the 2nd Law *because* they require an external energy source in order to decrease their entropy.

62 posted on 10/30/2002 12:18:06 PM PST by ThinkDifferent
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