Archbishop Says It's Immoral to Vote for Pro-Choice Candidates

EWTN News ^ | October 29, 2002 | EWTN

[fatguy]

DENVER, Oct 29, 02 (CWNews.com) -- In his second blunt message in as many weeks on the responsibilities of Catholic voters, Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver has insisted the issue of abortion should provide a clear-cut choice.

"I will vote for no candidate Republican, Democrat or third party -- who is actively 'pro-choice,'" the archbishop wrote in his regular weekly column for Denver's archdiocesan newspaper.

Archbishop Chaput dismissed the argument that abortion is only one among many issues to be considered in an election year. He explained: "abortion is separated from other important social issues like affordable housing by a difference in kind, not a difference in degree. Every abortion kills an unborn human life -- every time. No matter what kind of mental gymnastics we use, elective killing has no excuse. We only implicate ourselves by trying to provide one."

In this respect, the archbishop drew a distinction between the abortion issue and other political questions, on which reasonable people might differ. The difference, he said, is that "every abortion is a grave act of violence."

The archbishop repeated his complaint that proponents of legal abortion are seeking to silence Catholics, and others who are opposed to the practice. "The only way to stop this coercion is to send the right men and women to Congress," he said.

Voters cannot remain neutral on the issue, Archbishop Chaput continued. He reasoned: "No violence is ever private. That includes abortion. What we choose to allow, we choose to own."

[End The Hypocrisy]

>>>Ok, you're one of the sickos. Agenda matches the rhetoric. Thanks for playing...<<<


This isn't a game, and I'm no sicko. Its intolerant folks who cost us elections. Now I can better see why it's so surprisingly hard to persuade fiscal conservatives who also favor family planning (for when birth control accidentally fails) that we're worth their vote.

Now that campaign finance reform's almost a reality, groups that are on the fringe will have less influence over mainstream party politics. Good luck.

[End The Hypocrisy]

>>>Let me ask you this: If a child is not adopted, should it be legal to kill it? If a child has a "miserable lot", should it be legal to kill it?<<<


No, it is not legal, and should not be legal, to kill an unwanted child. But there's a prevalent criticism about the non-pro-choice Republicans (the 35% minority that Rym.org and other Republican groups state that they are). That criticism is that "Republicans will get you born, but you're on your own after that." And we wonder why we got fewer presidential votes in 2000 than the more vocally pro-choice political party?

[Trajan88]

Pro-abortion, Catholic politicians should be listed as candidates for excommmunication.

Trajan88

[Campion]

If a Methodist, or Baptist, or any other protestant minister said from the pulpit, "Vote for Pro-Choice Candidates," the IRS would be there in a heart-beat to close down the church and arrest the preacher for violating the separation of church and state and their tax exempt status.

First of all, you don't know the law. You can say "vote for pro-anything candidates" all day long. It only becomes an issue with the IRS when you endorse specific people.

Second, the law is not enforced against liberal Democrats. There are large numbers of black (Protestant) churches every two years endorsing, by name, from the pulpit, liberal Democrats. The IRS never touches them. NEVER. It's disgusting.

(Or were you being sarcastic?)

[Campion]

groups that are on the fringe will have less influence over mainstream party politics

Have you repealed the First Amendment? I need to know, so I can save up on ammunition for the civil war that would be the inevitable result.

[End The Hypocrisy]

Folks speak their mind all the time, and it's fine. But with campaign finance reform's taking effect this Wednesday, fringe elements will no longer be able to use soft money nearly as freely to try and influence national party politics. I repeat: according to RYM.org (and numerous other groups) 65% of Republicans are pro-choice. Something's wrong with this picture...

[Dec31,1999]

Here in NY, I have a choice between (1)Pataki for Governor, who is a pro-killing Republican, (2)a miserable Dem, who is even more strongly pro-killing along with the other destructive Marxist crap, or (3)someome whose name I don't remember in the Right-to-Life party. It's a quandry.

If I vote for the RTL party, the Dem might get in, which would be worse than the Repub "pro-would be mothers' choice" candidate.

I'm strongly pro-life, but I don't want to waste my vote 3rd or 4th party and let a Dem get in.

[G Larry]

Yes!
Besides your faith in those statistics.

What's wrong is that our culture has become numb to the concept of consequences.
This, in addition to dismissing the scientific and medical proof that the aborted being is a baby, a human being!
The convenience of the mother is placed above the baby's RIGHT TO LIFE!
The "right to privacy" is distant second to the "RIGHT TO LIFE".
Not to mention that R vs. Wade was a complete fraud, from the claim of rape, which is admittedly false, to the basis for the ruling.

[G Larry]

Oops!
The Denver Archbishops predicessor is now a Cardinal!
Cardinal Staford may no longer be in Denver, but his foundational
work leading to that honor, was done in Denver.

[G Larry]

uh....NO!
They could campain on PRINCIPLE!
....and hope that prevails.
Refute lies with facts, take the time to educate.
If they don't win on that basis....the people get the government they deserve.

[sinkspur]

Cardinal Staford may no longer be in Denver, but his foundational work leading to that honor, was done in Denver.

Cardinalates come with particular jobs, like Archbishop of New York, or Prefect for the Congregation of Bishops.

Only rarely do individuals get the red hat as an honor (as Avery Dulles did the last conclave) and most of those are retired and unable to vote in papal elections.

I would wager Patrick Flores in San Antonio would get the red hat before Chaput, as San Antonio has a larger percentage of Catholics.

[G Larry]

Are you related to a past Idaho Gov.? (J.T. McCLURE)

Time to switch to the party that supports your values.

[Siobhan]

Patrick Flores will never be a candidate for a red hat. He is despised, and even his supporters concede that he has some sort of organic brain disease. sockmonkey who lives in the Archdiocese of San Antonio has a good read on the situation, and I hope she'll post her findings and opinions about Patrick Flores.

[G Larry]

No DaG, you're wrong.
Your parish priest may have had a different focus, but the Archbishop is absolutely correct.
As long as this evil persists in society, no other social issues requiring accountability, and acknowledgement of consequences, will be resolved.
It is the root of the culture of death!

[Siobhan]

The Annunciation

And was it true,
The stranger standing so,
And saying things that lifted her in two,
And put her back before the world's beginning?

Her eyes filled slowly with the morning glow.
Her drowsy ear drank in a first sweet dubious bird.
Her cheek against the pillow woke and stirred
To gales enriched by passage over dew,
And friendly fields and slopes of Galilee
Arose in tremulous intermixture with her dreams,
Till she remembered suddenly...
Although the morning beams
Came spilling in the gradual rubric known to every day,
And hills stood ruinous, as an eclipse,
Against the softly spreading ray,
Not touched by any strange apocalypse
Like that which yesterday had lifted her sublime,
And put her back before the first grey morn of Time --
Though nothing was disturbed from where she lay and saw,
Now she remembered with a quick and panting awe
That someone came, and took in hand her heart,
And broke irresistibly apart,
With what he said, and how in tall suspense
He lingered, while the white celestial inference,
Pushing her fears apart, went softly home.

Then she had faltered her reply,
And felt a sudden burden of eternal years,
And shamed by the angelic stranger standing by
Had bowed her head to hide her human tears.
Never again would she awake
And find herself the buoyant Galilean lass,
But into her dissolving dreams would break
A hovering consciousness too terrible to pass --
A new awareness in her body when she stirred,
A sense of Light within her virgin gloom:
She was the Mother of the wandering Word,
Little and terrifying in her laboring womb.
And nothing would again be casual and small,
But everything with light invested, overspilled
With terror and divinity, the dawn, the first bird's call,
The silhouetted pitcher waiting to be filled.

"I Sing of a Maiden"
Rev. John Duffy, C.S.s.R.

[G Larry]

Unlapse!
Go to Catholic Answers to resolve any misgivings you may have.
www.catholic.com

[G Larry]

Some impediments to adoptions:
Social workers constraining well quailfied families from adopting,
Manufactured concerns regarding cross-race adoptions,
Case workers promoting Foster programs over adoption,
(job security to maintain case load)
Pro-abort groups discouraging the adoption option.

Just to name a few.

[G Larry]

BUMP!

[End The Hypocrisy]

>>>An impediment to adoption: Case workers promoting Foster programs over adoption, (job security to maintain case load) <<<


I believe it! If you ask me, the new hit movie Jackass should contain nothing but tax-leeching civil servants imitating themselves.

[sockmonkey]

Patrick Flores will never be a candidate for a red hat.

One would certainly hope not. Yes, on the Organic Brain Syndrome. A search on the web for his depositions in the sex abuse scandals in this Archdiocese show the extent of the gorkiness (vernacular). He presides at Dignity Masses. In the past some of our Archbishop's Appeal money has gone to population control (not NFP). He supports pro-abort candidates. He is the darling of all the local Alinskey-ites (who got him appointed Bishop). He has written the praises of the former President of the Women's Ordination Conference. He even wrote the praises in a book. He sings the praises of our Liberation Theologist/Azatlan Priest, Virgilio Elizondo.

It would be horrific if he ever became a Cardinal, but I am very aware there are those who have been pushing for this for some years.