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To: FormerLurker
No we do know the data is invalid, it lists DCM as having over 3000 H1B programmer/analysts in America and the only have 300 engineers worldwide. That's invalid data. Why investigate DCM? Why would a company apply for 10 times as many H1Bs as they could possibly need? The usual fraud in this is employers having aliens working for them on expired or never even applied for H1Bs, not 10 times as much permission for H1Bs as employees. The data's bad, we know this with absolute certainty. The why's and wherefores really don't matter for this discussion. It's bad, feces happens, can we move on.
215 posted on 11/05/2002 10:27:23 AM PST by discostu
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To: discostu
No we do know the data is invalid, it lists DCM as having over 3000 H1B programmer/analysts in America and the only have 300 engineers worldwide.

Wrong. It IS possible that DCM DID file 104 applications for 3000 H1B programmer/analysts. That is what should be investigated.

216 posted on 11/05/2002 10:54:41 AM PST by FormerLurker
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To: discostu
No we do know the data is invalid, it lists DCM as having over 3000 H1B programmer/analysts in America and the only have 300 engineers worldwide.

One other thing. IF they were to bring somebody in from India to work at the Austin facility, the worker would be a software engineer, not a programmer/analyst. Software engineers earn more than programmer/analysts, so they obviously lied on the application in order to avoid paying the higher salary for an engineer.

218 posted on 11/05/2002 11:35:30 AM PST by FormerLurker
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To: discostu
so you found a problem in the data. Maybe this company has sent some h1b's home since getting them. Companies are perfectly free to import an h1b and then decide not to use them, at that point the h1b must go home. Can you imagine how they get people to compete for the job if they're in the habit of sending back 50%? Also, it might be that they brought the h1b person in and then arranged to farm the person out to someone else, maybe they somehow transferred 'sponsorship' to someone. Maybe the law is written in such a way that if they understand it, then they can import people systematically and in essence sell them to someone. That's how things work, fancy laws are made and those who read and understand the laws can do unusual things to rake in dollars.

But we know for sure that congress did approve 195,000 h1b's per year. Government also says that in recent years they've been actually bringing in 165,000 or so per year. The total who have received h1b and are in the country now exceeds one million.

Read Matloff's research for the best picture. He focuses in on one guy who came to america from India about 20 years ago, he became a programmer, he worked for years and now he can't find a job. He says that 3 times he went through the job interview process for big companies and was right about to be hired when they asked him if he was eligible for h1b status. He said 'no, I am US citizen' and that was the end of the conversation in each of the 3 cases. This is a fellow who is convinced that because he's ethnic Indian the companies were after him, then when they found out he couldn't be h1b person, they dropped him.

We've created a surrealistic job market in software. It is insanity, there is a mountain of evidence to show this.
219 posted on 11/05/2002 11:46:23 AM PST by Red Jones
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