HAITIANS AND THE FREE STATE PROJECT

SierraTimes.com ^ | Nov. 1, 2002 | J.J. Johnson

[Landru]

These people are -- justifiably -- frustrated & angry.
There's no harm in people tossing around ideas, either.
At the rate things are going I don't doubt it'll be too much longer when even ideas will be outlawed.

Of course, then again maybe there's no need to wait for that to happen.
The illegitimacy of, "Hate Thoughts," is already a reality, eh?

The only question then?

...is thinking of "freedom" really hateful?

[Landru]

HA!!
That'll work.
Shame you can't make a buck doing that stuff, eh?

Well think I'll try bed, now.

...bad news for *her*, too. ;^)

[Mudboy Slim]

"There's no harm in people tossing around ideas, either."

Of course not...then again, there's no harm in me explaining my opinion of why said ideas won't work...MUD

[archy]

...what do you think of my new tune, "Liars!!"?!!

Very reminiscent of a cover of Stairway to Heaven, performed with an added drum solo.

Think *Memphis Minnie.*

-archy-/-

[archy]

I suggested that the Coast Guard (or Navy) fire their 3-inch deck gun or deck mounted .50 cal. machine gun across the bow of the vessel.

I think you'll find that the old 3"-38 and 3-inch 50-caliber deck guns are pretty well out of service in the few hundred US Navy warships remaining, replaced among the current Perry class missile frigates and most of the destroyer and cruiser fleet, with Italian-design Oto-Melara Mark 75, 76mm semiauto cannon. They are also in service on the Coasties Hamilton and Famous class cutters.

As for the *deck mounted .50 caliber* MG, I think you meant rail-mounted, though the old Vietnam-era PBR and Swift boats did indeed use deck-mounted .50s, often on a tandam mount with an 81-mm mortar [a dandy weapon for firing illumination rounds, though such light patrol craft aren't really up to the task described.] And there are a couple of deck-mounts available for the M2 and other small arms; I had a fun job with the Naval Weapons Support Center at Crane in Indiana fitting such mounts on light patrol boats and Boston Whalers for the Salvadorians a few years back.

[archy]

You don't like my idea?

The initial *pilot program* has to be successful before anything similar could be effectively managed in one of the larger states- Alaska, California and Texas all being mentioned as future possibilities for several reasons, including their seaports, transportation hub infrastructure and international borders [both a curse and potential blessing- make lemonade!]

But any of those larger states would require a LOT more than 20K participants to get the job done; there are California congressional districts and cities where those numbers would scarcely make a dent. Prove that the concept can work first, as with Perot's *Reform* Party [that brought us Clinton's first term] or the successful candidacy of Governor Jesse Ventura in Minnesota, and you'll have the 2x4 with which to get the donkey's attention. And the elephant's.

-archy-/-

[archy]

If the "FSP" worked, it'd be destroyedby the "powers that be" who're for a lack of better description, some absolutely evil,freedom-hating,power-hungry SOBs.

I agree that they'll try, but some creative annoyances and interruptions might distract them sufficiently to get the job done, though the initial FSP presentations of how the process might take place have been simplistic and Pollyannish to date.

But the example has been set by former US congressman Davy Crockett, who left his Tennesse home and farm- where too many of his loved ones were buried- and set off to build a new one in Texas. His parting words as he left Tennessee from the river town of Memphis remain valid for today's FSP porcupiners, as well.

Though I'm following the FSP activities with interest, I don't believe in putting all my eggs in one basket either. And as for the greedy and hateful power-brokers trying to forestall such dreams, I have lost fights before. But not when the other guy's pants were on fire.

-archy-/-

[Landru]

"And as for the greedy and hateful power-brokers trying to forestall such dreams, I have lost fights before. But not when the other guy's pants were on fire."

HA!!
Nicely put, Arch.

...& I do get it.

[pocat]

I'll gladly pull up my tent stakes and move when the time is right.

Has anyone decided on a state? How much (violent or otherwise) resistance do you guys predict from the feds?

[archy]

Has anyone decided on a state

See the link in my post #39. Some parameters and desiderata for a likely preferred state have been identified, but nothing's set in concrete at all yet.

Indeed, with about a tenth of the core group now on board, this is an excellent tiime for you to add in your two cents worth on which ones you think are most suitable or downright unworkable. If you're interested, whether to make *the big move* immediately once that big decision is made or not, climb right on the pile and join in.

-archy-/-

[madfly]

FYI

[weikel]

Bump

[madfly]

FYI

[AAABEST]

My wife would go with me, and so would several others.

I'm going to give it some time. I fully intend to fight like hell in my area to implement change. If I see this awful, creeping socialism continue to take root rendering my efforts futile, the FSP is something I fully intend on undertaking. I don't care if it's 5,000 or 5,000,000 people participating.

I refuse to leave this earth without a chance of having my children know freedom. I won't have their lives destroyed by the sickness that's infected our society.

For God's sake, a human being has the right to be left alone, to grow and prosper and live a moral life. It's becoming increasingly clear that this will soon be impossible.

[Squantos]

Fine Post AAA !!..........

Stay Safe !

[F-117A]

The Camp of the Saints

[Eastbound]

Why don't we just let everyone in Haiti move to Florida and then take over Haiti and declare independence? Let me know when it's time to form Committees of Safety and Correspondence.

If any politicians or lawyers want to join our happy crew, let 'em man the oars. We can always throw them to the sharks just before we hit shore.

[gdc61]

nope , j.r. only kills "christian/american" men women and children.

[watcher1]

Give me Liberty or Give me The FSP!

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!!