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Minnesota Public Radio Poll Shows Former V.P. Walter Mondale Trailing in Volatile Senate Race
Yahoo News ^ | November 3, 2002

Posted on 11/03/2002 2:28:34 PM PST by John Jorsett

ST. PAUL, Minn., Nov. 3 /PRNewswire/ -- With 10 percent of voters still undecided, former St. Paul Mayor Norm Coleman has a 6-percentage-point lead over former Vice President Walter Mondale in statewide poll results for Minnesota's U. S. Senate race.

With voter volatility making measurements of the state's public opinion a difficult task, results show Coleman, a Republican, with 47 percent, and Mondale with 41 percent. The poll, conducted for the St. Paul Pioneer Press and Minnesota Public Radio, has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percent.

Support for other candidates totals just 2 percent, according to the poll conducted Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, Oct. 30 through Nov. 1. A total of 625 likely voters participated.

After U.S. Sen. Paul Wellstone was killed in a plane crash, Mondale was called from retirement by Minnesota's Democratic-Farmer-Labor party for a five-day campaign his supporters have dubbed the "Fritz Blitz."

Poll results "are a reflection of how volatile the race has become since Wellstone's death," says Dave Peters, the Pioneer Press senior editor who oversees the newspaper's polling efforts.

With the crash that killed Wellstone, his wife, daughter and several campaign staffers just 11 days before the election, the state's 2 million voters "had to rethink at least momentarily who they would vote for in the Senate election," Peters says. The count of undecided voters has increased from just 5 percent in the newspaper's September poll.

In addition, 17 percent of respondents said their choice in the Senate race was influenced by a controversial Wellstone memorial service that many considered a political rally.


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1 posted on 11/03/2002 2:28:34 PM PST by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett
How can 10 percent still be undecided - that sounds like cr@p to me.
2 posted on 11/03/2002 2:30:10 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: John Jorsett
This is another race that will not be over Tuesday.
3 posted on 11/03/2002 2:33:58 PM PST by boomop1
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To: Chi-townChief
How can 10 percent still be undecided - that sounds like cr@p to me.

I can believe it. Here in the California governor race, 23% of the electorate is either undecided or going to vote third-party.

4 posted on 11/03/2002 2:33:59 PM PST by John Jorsett
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To: Chi-townChief
Don't you find it somewhat odd that the former vice president of the US refuses to debate except on the day before the election at 10 in the morning? He seems to be acting as though the sinecure of being senator from Minnesota is his by divine right; or is it that he appears old even for his age (74) with outdated ideas and a poor, weak presentation compared to Norm Coleman?
5 posted on 11/03/2002 2:35:37 PM PST by laconic
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To: John Jorsett
... Poll results "are a reflection of how volatile the race has become since Wellstone's death," says Dave Peters, the Pioneer Press senior editor who oversees the newspaper's polling efforts ...
When Republicans are ahead of, or even close to their Democratic opponents, the electorate is always described as "volatile," "in flux," confused, angry, undecided, disgusted with both sides etc., etc. Apparently you cannot support a Republican candidate on rational grounds.
6 posted on 11/03/2002 2:38:15 PM PST by Asclepius
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To: laconic
This is good but why is it not being reported elsewhere? If true, Bill and Hill are gonna be embarassed,,big time. That funerally planned and executed by the DNC and Bill and Hill may have just lost them the race. I hope this is true.
7 posted on 11/03/2002 2:38:38 PM PST by cajungirl
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To: laconic
He has to debate in the morning because he's probably dozing off by 2:00 or 3:00 in the afternoon. But, in reality, I think he was trying to duck a debate but couldn't so he tried to do the next best thing and get some spin on it before the folks watch the evening news.
8 posted on 11/03/2002 2:39:28 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: John Jorsett
I hope some of you had a chance to watch the President speak today at the Coleman Rally. What was shocking was how well the President gave this routine speech.

Early in Dubya's campaign for the Presidency I met him and listened to him. His personal 1:1 contact was just short of incredible. His speech delivery left much to be desired. The President has really become one of the best speakers in my memory and I am over 70.

We are indeed fortunate to have Norm and the President in the same government (at least we will after Tuesday).

9 posted on 11/03/2002 2:40:13 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: John Jorsett
It is hard to fathom that any poll sponsored by the National Proletariat Radio, or Minnesota Proltariat (Welfare Radio)radio would ever come out with such a result!!!
10 posted on 11/03/2002 2:40:42 PM PST by irish guard
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To: laconic
What's even more strange is that Mondull is not going to show at his own rally today. The DFL advertised in their flyer to meet your next senator Walter Mondale and when the people arrived, he was not on the speaker list. Only his wife and Wellstone's son. What a wuss Mondull is.
11 posted on 11/03/2002 2:41:08 PM PST by GrandmaPatriot
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To: Chi-townChief
I suspect you're right; like many elderly folk who appear much older than their ages would indicate, Mondale has become a "morning person" and his energy level tends to diminish greatly after Noon. No wonder he insisted on a Monday MORNING debate and refused to show up at Friday's evening debate.
12 posted on 11/03/2002 2:42:32 PM PST by laconic
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To: laconic
Don't you find it somewhat odd that the former vice president of the US refuses to debate . . .

Not really. Some of his handlers likely pointed out the average voter who is exposed to more than ten consecutive minutes of Mondale's whiny, reedy voice is more apt to vote for fingernails--anyone's fingernails--across a blackboard, than they are for Mondale.

13 posted on 11/03/2002 2:42:36 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Chi-townChief
How can 10 percent still be undecided

Think about it... Probably the undecideds were running 5% or less. Probably plenty of folks holding their noses and voting for Wellstone. And then he dies, leaving them to wonder whether they'd really want to vote for an old has-been.

Sounds about right to me. This is probably a good sign -- Wellstone's support didn't carry over to Mondale, and I really doubt many people will switch from Coleman to Mondale.

14 posted on 11/03/2002 2:43:08 PM PST by r9etb
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To: John Jorsett
I posted this on another thread, but wish to make sure others see it.
Mondale was apparently expecting a position in the Clinton administration, but told a journalist in a published interview that he had been denied the position because he was a white male. He also said;
"When I was giving all those speeches on affirmative action, I didn't mean me!"
Yet more proof of the character of this man, and the true story of how RATS really feel about minorities!

This is from a book on Hillary Clinton, who of course was the person really appointing the top jobs in the Clinton administration.
15 posted on 11/03/2002 2:43:08 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: irish guard
It is hard to fathom that any poll sponsored by the National Proletariat Radio, or Minnesota Proltariat (Welfare Radio)radio would ever come out with such a result!!!

Maybe they're trying to motivate the welfare state Marxists to go to the polls by frightening them into doing it.

16 posted on 11/03/2002 2:45:12 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: ladyinred
Mondale was apparently expecting a position in the Clinton administration,

Well, they did make him ambassador to Japan, which is a pretty plum position. But it's not a policy position like SecState would have been; or something swell like SecTreasury. Can't imagine him wanting anything else....

17 posted on 11/03/2002 2:47:22 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Chi-townChief
How can 10 percent still be undecided - that sounds like

In almost any election there are voters that are voting for reasons other than who will be senator. In many districts there are people who registered and are going to vote because they are for or against a school levy, or a zoning issue, or a wet or dry issue on the ballot. They may be voting for or against some country commissioner or mayor in some town.

Such people often do not even know who is running for the Senate, so when the pollster asks they are undecided.

Some may be ticked off at the Democrats, but unable to bring themselves to actually vote for a Republican. They tell pollsters they are undecided too.

The object of negative ads is to reduce support for a candidate. The object of negative ads is to turn a supporter into an undecided. In California where both candidates for governor have run very negative campaigns the undecideds are about 26 percent. Most of those will not vote on election day for either candidate. They will likely vote in other contests but leave the governors race blank.

A lot of that 10 percent are likely independents and Democrats who were moved into the undecided column by their reaction to the First Annual Wellstone Memorial and Beer Bash Pep Rally.

18 posted on 11/03/2002 2:47:50 PM PST by Common Tator
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To: ladyinred
Mondale was apparently expecting a position in the Clinton administration, but told a journalist in a published interview that he had been denied the position because he was a white male.

Considering how many Clinton appointees ended up either dead or under investigation, he should count himself fortunate that they passed him over.

19 posted on 11/03/2002 2:50:03 PM PST by John Jorsett
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To: r9etb
NO ONE will switch from Coleman to Mondale...
20 posted on 11/03/2002 2:50:03 PM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: Common Tator
Does anyone know if there is a Green Party candidate in the Minnesota senate race? With Wellstone deceased and replaced by the corporate director Mondale (Northwest Airlines and several others), I would suspect that many might decide they'd rather vote on principle and vote Green.
21 posted on 11/03/2002 2:50:43 PM PST by laconic
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To: John Jorsett
Sounds like they had the funeral too soon. Should have waited until this weekend to hold the memorial service pep rally.
22 posted on 11/03/2002 2:52:37 PM PST by Moosilauke
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To: Kevin Curry
Well, the poll was sponsored by MPR and the Pioneer Press, but it was conducted by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research
23 posted on 11/03/2002 2:52:42 PM PST by bigaln2
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To: laconic
There is a Green candidate, a blind man who has taken a liking to nose-picking, goddesses and anti-matter tecnhologies named Ray Tricomo.
24 posted on 11/03/2002 2:53:43 PM PST by bigaln2
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To: irish guard
It is hard to fathom that any poll sponsored by the National Proletariat Radio, or Minnesota Proltariat (Welfare Radio)radio would ever come out with such a result!!!

It could be related to the fact that MPR is sponsoring and airing the only debate between Coleman and Mondull.

They may be trying to boost their ratings. They are of course also trying to get out the vote for Mondull.

(steely)

25 posted on 11/03/2002 2:55:30 PM PST by Steely Tom
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To: bigaln2
I think Fritz, like some older people, may get a little foggy in the afternoon, an early sign of dementia. He sure looks so made up that he is positively corpse like. In the morning, he will be sharper and his face less ancient. And maybe his nurse won't let him skip his nap.
26 posted on 11/03/2002 2:56:59 PM PST by cajungirl
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To: laconic
You mean you missed the debate? I heard the Green guy picked his nose....lemme see if I can dig up the thread in question fer ya...
27 posted on 11/03/2002 3:00:23 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: bigaln2
Sounds like he'd fit right in with the Democratic Senate caucus. I'd take a nose picker over Hillary Clinton any day.
28 posted on 11/03/2002 3:01:17 PM PST by laconic
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To: laconic
We should refer to Mondale as Vice President September 10th. The same appellation should be used for Lautenberg (and, woefully, Liddy Dole).
29 posted on 11/03/2002 3:03:53 PM PST by thegreatbeast
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To: cajungirl
I think Fritz, like some older people, may get a little foggy in the afternoon, an early sign of dementia.
This will be even clearer after tomorrow. Minnesotan will see how pathetic Fritz become...
30 posted on 11/03/2002 3:04:52 PM PST by Toidylop
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To: John Jorsett
What the hell happened to Mondale's 8 point lead ;-?

It's not elderly abuse if ya don;t vote for the Laut and Walt, yaknow ;-)

Old ideas..Older skivvies.
31 posted on 11/03/2002 3:06:37 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: John Jorsett
With 10 percent of voters still undecided, former St. Paul Mayor Norm Coleman has
a 6-percentage-point lead over former Vice President Walter Mondale in statewide
poll results for Minnesota's U. S. Senate race.


The An...ticipation is killing me.
And I'm praying for Coleman.

Saw him on Fox News Sunday...he was good.
And Brit Hume did make a nice mention (twice) that they'd repeatedly
asked Mondale to appear on their show with Coleman.
And that Mondale had declined.
Just like he had for all debates.

Can someone say "chicken"?
Can someone say "elder stateman who thinks he can coast on his ancient record?"

Sure. I knew you could.
32 posted on 11/03/2002 3:06:59 PM PST by VOA
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To: ladyinred
hoisted on his own pitard .. Fitting.. Jimmah Cahtah gets the NoBiLL Prize and Walt gets the boot.

Are we having fun yet ;-?
33 posted on 11/03/2002 3:09:03 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: stands2reason
Here's that thread:

Minnesota Debate (Where's Walter?) Now on C-SPAN

34 posted on 11/03/2002 3:11:53 PM PST by bigaln2
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To: Moosilauke
Jewish custom states that the burial must be at the first possible moment.....Since Friday afternoon was not possible due to the crash and Saturday is not allowed, my guess is that the funeral was immediately after the autopsy....which meant Monday. And it was private, without media.

What followed was a travesty that the families will live with forever. Whether it was their own idea, doubtful, or they exploited the tragedy is immaterial....they made a most disrespectful sham out of their father's death.

35 posted on 11/03/2002 3:19:26 PM PST by OldFriend
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To: Common Tator
Excellent comment: Voting for other offices, other issues.

Minnesota seems split 3 ways with Jesse Ventura independents a third force. Ventura's comments about the pep rally favored Republicans. That swings some "independents" Republican. This fits with the fact that compared to Wellstone's independence, Mondale has always been a "made man".

Of the alleged 10% undecided, how many voted for Ventura last time? Remember that people can register to vote on election day in MN. The system encourages procrastinating to the last minute for everything.

36 posted on 11/03/2002 3:32:26 PM PST by spintreebob
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To: John Jorsett
In addition, 17 percent of respondents said their choice in the Senate race was influenced by a controversial Wellstone memorial service that many considered a political rally.



Time's a-wastin'...best get Al up there to make his "I wuz robbed" speech.

37 posted on 11/03/2002 3:48:45 PM PST by Fintan
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To: OldFriend
What followed was a travesty that the families will live with forever. Whether it was their own idea, doubtful, or they exploited the tragedy is immaterial....they made a most disrespectful sham out of their father's death.

YET they will feel redeemed if Mondale wins. The only way to drive the point home to them, and the rest of the world, will be to defeat Mondale and publically repudiate the repulsive vulgarity of the Clintons.
38 posted on 11/03/2002 3:57:28 PM PST by Vinomori
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To: OldFriend
"they made a most disrespectful sham out of their father's death."

As I watched those boys, I thought of my father's death, when I was so taken by grief I was like a zombie for days. They seemed so inexplicably detached from what happened. And they lost their mom at the same time. I just found it bizarre.

39 posted on 11/03/2002 4:08:26 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: cajungirl
That funerally planned and executed by the DNC and Bill and Hill may have just lost them the race. I hope this is true.

I listened to McCaulif on Stephenopolis today sit there and lie, lie, lie, saying it was the Wellstone boys who planned the fun eral rally.

40 posted on 11/03/2002 4:14:37 PM PST by Spunky
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To: Fintan
ROTFL.

Dumbo's Twin, only he can't fly.

41 posted on 11/03/2002 4:17:57 PM PST by Spunky
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To: Bahbah
They seemed so inexplicably detached from what happened

They may have been on some type of anti-depressant. It would explain a lot.

When my father died suddenly while he was out of town, I had trouble sleeping the next night after both the shock and the need to make arrangements. A well meaning neighbor who was a registered nurse gave me something from her little at-home pharmacy. I had no idea what it would do to me. As I had had no sleep for a day and a half and had been unable to eat, it totally zonked me out. I regret I hardly remember anything from the wake.

42 posted on 11/03/2002 4:24:28 PM PST by The Iron Duke
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To: laconic
Mondale is debating when the audience will be mainly retired people who don't work on Monday morning. Most people will only get to see it on the evening news in pieces.
43 posted on 11/03/2002 4:29:39 PM PST by CoolCD
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To: The Iron Duke
It is so hard to lose a parent. You have my heartfelt sympathy. As for anti-depressants, they won't kick in for 7 to 10 days (sometimes longer) and they don't make you behave in ways that you otherwise would not, maybe just dull some of the pain.
44 posted on 11/03/2002 4:33:41 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: John Jorsett; Chi-townChief
, 23% of the electorate is either undecided

10 percent still be undecided

I would like to know what % of the undecideds actually vote.

45 posted on 11/03/2002 5:05:36 PM PST by putupon
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To: Vinomori
I doubt Wellstone's sons will see the error of their ways and will blame everything and everyone but themselves. Sadly, politics has invaded their family's soul and that is the tragedy. They are not the only family with that lack of character.
46 posted on 11/03/2002 5:38:50 PM PST by OldFriend
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To: cajungirl
funerally

Love it!
47 posted on 11/03/2002 5:44:04 PM PST by oline
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To: laconic
Yeah, his name is Tricomo --- always wearing sunglasses -- very strange...
48 posted on 11/03/2002 5:46:03 PM PST by oline
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To: oline
I thought I read that Tricomo is blind?

That would explain the nice placement of the buttons on his sweater at the Friday night KSTP debate...
49 posted on 11/03/2002 5:50:46 PM PST by terilyn
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To: shrinkermd
Although I did not actually meet him, I campaigned for then-Gov. Bush and was among the crowd of well-wishers seeing him off back to Texas at Long Beach Airport the night before the California primary. Months before then, I began making every attempt to watch every one of his televised speeches and appearances. You are right that his speech-making has improved considerably. He has always done better with "big" one-time speeches rather than the standard stump speech all politicians learn to deliver. I'm sure they get pretty sick of giving the same speech over and over, and George W. seemed to find them particularly trying the more fatigue set in. The President's stump speeches are where he's improved the most. But he really rises to the occasion with the "big" speech. In his first two years, he's already given several very important, even great speeches. What comes to mind immediately are his inaugural address, the speech at the National Prayer Service after 9/11, his address to Congress after 9/11, and his address to the U.N. a couple of months ago.
50 posted on 11/03/2002 6:00:06 PM PST by Wolfstar
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