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Controversy Over Alleged Islamic Ties to Oklahoma City Bombing Continues (Jayna strikes back!)
CNSNEWS.COM Website -- Letters to the Editor ^ | November 4, 2002 | Jayna Davis

Posted on 11/04/2002 7:39:55 AM PST by TXnMA

Letters to the Editor for November 4, 2002


By CNSNews.com Readers

Controversy Over Alleged Islamic Ties to Oklahoma City Bombing Continues (Jayna Davis strikes back!)

(Editor's Note: The following is a response by journalist Jayna Davis to certain assertions by Cate McCauley, an investigator appointed by the U.S. District Court to assist with the appeal of convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, which were published in the October 30 article 'McVeigh Defense Investigator questions Senator's Probe.')

"Twenty-two witness affidavits supported by 25-hundred pages of corroborative evidence is hardly a 'very small package of information,' (about the Oklahoma City bombing). McCauley is wholly unqualified to criticize the complexities of the investigative dossier because she has never reviewed it.

I interviewed nearly 80 potential witnesses, but I deemed only two-dozen to be credible because the veracity of their testimonies could be independently corroborated and their stories did not conflict with the government's timeline of the movements of the Oklahoma City bombers. All confidently identified eight specific Middle Eastern men, the majority of whom are former Iraqi soldiers, collaborating with McVeigh and Nichols during various stages of the bombing plot. They have signed sworn affidavits confirming their testimonies.

After a thorough vetting process, this investigation has earned the ringing endorsement of the lead impeachment prosecutor David Schippers, former Deputy Director of the State Department's Office of Counter Terrorism Larry Johnson, former Director of the CIA James Woolsey, former Chief of Human Intelligence for the Defense Intelligence Agency Colonel Patrick Lang, the Director of Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare Yossef Bodansky, and the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal, including senior editorial writer Micah Morrison.

Former CIA analyst and Deputy Director of Counter Terrorism for the Department of State, Larry Johnson, has determined that 'without a doubt, there is a definite Middle Eastern tie to the Oklahoma City bombing.' As a Fox News consultant, he has expressed publicly his concern that the Islamic terrorist network, which assisted McVeigh and Nichols, is still operational and poses a threat to national security.

In addition to comprehensive coverage published by the Indianapolis Star and the LA Weekly, I have been invited as a guest to discuss this investigation with Lou Dobb's of CNN, Fox News (Bill O'Reilly, John Gibson, Greta Van Susteren, and John Scott). The credibility of my work has also been recognized by nationally syndicated radio show host Glenn Beck as well as numerous talk radio programs in several major markets (New York, San Fransico, Minneapolis, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Tampa, Miami, Nashville, and Richmond.)

(Regarding the civil suit brought against Davis over certain information concerning her investigation,) The court ruling in that lawsuit established I acted responsibly. When I resigned my position at KFOR, I was legally responsible to protect the recorded statements of the confidential witnesses. (Oklahoma State District Court) Judge (Brian) Dixon upheld my journalistic First Amendment pledge to the confidential witnesses to keep their statements sealed until such time that 'law enforcement officials launched a legitimate investigation into the identity of those involved in the April 19, 1995 bombing of the Murrah Building.'"

Jayna Davis Yukon, OK


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KEYWORDS: catemccauley; jaynadavis; meconnection; okcbombing
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To: Nancie Drew
From the Grand Jury:

"However, we have not been presented with or uncovered information sufficient to indict any additional conspirators."

51 posted on 11/06/2002 1:52:02 PM PST by honway
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To: All
"Davis, testifying for the third time, said she has refused to name her sources."
52 posted on 11/06/2002 1:53:23 PM PST by honway
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To: Nancie Drew
Before those witnesses were called, John Hersley evidently gave false testimony about Jayna’s witnesses to the Grand Jury

Wasn't Hersley the last major witness before the Grand Jury?

53 posted on 11/06/2002 1:56:59 PM PST by honway
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To: Fred Mertz; thinden
Any ideas on why the Oklahoma Grand Jury never asked to see the video described in the McVeigh Preliminary Hearing by Agent Hersley?
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Additional Video Surveillance Footage – McVeigh Preliminary Hearing 4-27-95

Testimony from FBI agent Jon Hersley, who states there’s video he’s seen from one of the Regency Towers cameras, date and time stamped. This is not the same camera that looks out the front door of the Regency Towers in which we see the Ryder truck come into view, pause and move on.

This camera takes “scans in front of the Tower building and also over towards the parking lot”, across the street from the Murrah Building.

The testimony discusses various witnesses who saw McVeigh, including one who states he saw a yellow Mercury speed off in the vicinity of the parking lot, then goes on to discuss a photo still taken from the video in which is seen a light colored car in that same vicinity.

McVeigh Preliminary Hearing, April 27 1995.

From the transcript:

Q. In your review of the surveillance photos, did you find any surveillance photos of that parking lot across the street from the Murrah Building?

A. Yes.

Q. Okay.

A. You characterized that as my review of the photographs. I was shown those particular photographs by Agent Lamar.

Q. Have you been shown a photograph of that particular parking lot, sir, across the street from the Murrah Building that includes the speeding Mercury in the photograph?

A. We don't know for sure yet. Those photographs are not real clear. They are taken from a pretty good distance away. There appears to be a light-colored car in the very vicinity where this witness testifies -- or provides the information was speeding away from. We are not able to determine yet if that is in fact the yellow Mercury.

Q. The pictures that you saw of that particular parking lot -- now I'm talking about the parking lot across the street from the Murrah Building --

A. Right.

Q. -- in a northerly direction, that parking lot, there is film of that parking lot prior to the time of the explosion?

A. Yes.

Q. Correct?

A. Yes.

Q. Is it time-stamped so that you can tell a particular time of day on the 19th of April that that camera is viewing, scanning that parking lot?

A. Yes.

Q. Can you tell me where that particular camera was located?

A. I believe that particular camera was located on the apartment building there that we have been speaking of.

Q. So those were some more pictures from the Regency?

A. Yes, those are the pictures from the Regency.

Q. So the camera from the Regency -- is this the camera at the very top of the Regency Tower?

A. I don't know the exact location of the camera, but it kind of scans that whole area there, is what has been represented to me. It scans in front of the Tower building and also over towards the parking lot.

54 posted on 11/06/2002 5:18:20 PM PST by honway
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To: honway
I have no idea. See my reply #46. I just know that after he testified, none of Jayna's witnesses were called and Jayna was not called back.
55 posted on 11/06/2002 8:53:19 PM PST by Nancie Drew
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To: thinden; honway
Remember the book by Frank Keating's brother, The Final Jihad, published before OKC bombing describing the incident accurately and crediting it to a Tim Mc---?

The title says it all. The wagthedoggers were pushing a Jihad even then. Guess, Great Britain's oil problems weren't dire enough at the time to play the Iraqi card.

56 posted on 11/07/2002 5:06:35 AM PST by rubbertramp
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To: Nancie Drew
I just know that after he testified, none of Jayna's witnesses were called and Jayna was not called back

Hersley was the last witness called which of course is consistent with the above statement.

Daily Oklahoman

FBI Agent Gives More Testimony
Date: 12/09/1998
FBI agent Jon Hersley spent less than an hour Tuesday answering additional questions from the Oklahoma County grand jury investigating the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.

57 posted on 11/07/2002 6:09:13 AM PST by honway
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To: rubbertramp
"Governor Frank Keating's brother, Martin Keating, wrote a manuscript in 1991, roughly four years before the OKC bombing. Gov. Frank Keating is a former FBI hot shot. His brother, Martin could not get this work published until after the bombing. This manuscript, now a published book, is titled The Final Jihad. In this book, Keating lays out a story of terrorists, based in OKC, who decide to bomb a federal building. Guess what the name of the one of the key "terrorists" in the book is? Tom McVey. And for the kicker of this fictional work: The terrorists in The Final Jihad are stopped by an Oklahoma highway patrolman for a broken tail light.

Now, let me see: We have a book in manuscript form written four years before the OKC bombing whose story line involves terrorists in Oklahoma City. This part of this fictional work comes true. "

58 posted on 11/07/2002 6:11:46 AM PST by honway
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To: Nancie Drew
From Daily Oklahoman's Diana Baldwin, Judy Kuhlman

Davis, testifying for the third time, said she has refused to name her sources.

A reasonable person could conclude that Jayna Davis told Diana Baldwin and/or Judy Kuhlman that she refused to name her sources.

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From Nancie:

The witnesses voluntarily gave their names to the DAs office and the Grand Jury along with a notarized statement outlining what they knew

A reasonable person could conclude that Jayna Davis told Nancie Drew that she named her sources to the Grand Jury.

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Nancie, I have never questioned your integritity or your sincerity and I am not going to start now. Having said that, do you see a pattern emerging here relative to our past correspondence? I do.

59 posted on 11/07/2002 6:41:30 AM PST by honway
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To: honway; Nancie Drew; TXnMA; rubbertramp; Fred Mertz; Plummz; backhoe
any ideas why?

Digging around some of honway’s research it could be the heavy handed treatment of Grand Juror, Hoppy Heidelberg that may help us understand why other grand jurors may have been intimidated by prosecutor Macy and Judge Russell:

From a letter from Grand Juror Hoppy Heidelberg to Judge David L. Russell October 5, 1995

Judge David L. Russell 1210 Federal Court House 200 N.W. 4th Oklahoma City, OK 73102

Dear Judge Russell:

Pursuant to instructions from lead prosecutor, Joseph Hartzler, I write you this letter to express my concerns about the Oklahoma City bombing investigation. January is coming upon us fast and I am concerned that there will then be no one in authority with sufficient motivation to pursue the case. ……………

snip

5) All video SURVEILLANCE TAPES from cameras near the Murrah Building, including the one made by a Southwestern Bell camera which reportedly shows John Doe II getting out of the Ryder truck before McVeigh drove it to the Murrah Building………

snip

Excerpt of a December 14, 1995 interview of Hoppy Heidelberg, a Federal Grand Juror in the Oklahoma City case:

Hoppy: That's right and that's the whole point. For example, the various SURVEILLANCE VIDEOTAPES of the bombing, tapes from, say, Southwestern Bell and the Journal Record Building across the street, we don't know that they showed all the details of the bombing, including the perpetrators, but it's possible. None of this material was shown to us in the Grand Jury.

None of It?

Hoppy: Zero.

There Is the possibility that some of that tape showed the federal building collapsing. The shape of that collapse could make it clear that the truck bomb was not the real device that caused the major damage to the building. That instead, interior charges placed on the columns did the job, because that's very easy to see. It looks like a demolition. The building collapsing in on itself. We've all seen that a hundred times on television.

The amazing response to Hoppy Heidelberg from Judge David L. Russell

David L. Russell, Chief Judge United States District Court Western District of Oklahoma 200 N.W. 4th Street Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 73102

October 24, 1995

Mr. Hoppy Heidelberg Buffalo Creek Road Route 6, Box 164 Blanchard, OK 73010

Re: U.S.A. v. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols: Case No. CR-95-110-A; and U.S.A. v. Michael Fortier, Case No. CR-95-111-R, United States District Court-Western District of Oklahoma

Dear Mr. Heidelberg:

Effective immediately, you are dismissed from the grand jury. Your obligation of secrecy continues. Any disclosure of matters that occurred before the grand jury constitutes a contempt of court. Each violation of the obligation of secrecy may be punished cumulatively.

Sincerely,

David L. Russell United States District Judge

60 posted on 11/07/2002 6:48:27 AM PST by thinden
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To: thinden
Reference: OCC1-28-99-5

William Burkett Named Corporation Commission General Counsel

OKLAHOMA CITY – William R. Burkett, active in law in Oklahoma since 1950, has been named general counsel for the Oklahoma Corporation Commission, effective Feb. 1(1999).

61 posted on 11/07/2002 9:07:20 AM PST by honway
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To: honway; TXnMA; Fred Mertz; yukong; thinden; PhilDragoo; Alamo-Girl
Honway,

I am very offended by what you are implying in your statement about Jayna Davis. You probably know that it really sets me off for people to question her truthfulness. I know there are a lot of Cate McCauley’s out there who are trying to ruin her reputation. I would be very disappointed in you if that is your motive. I have felt that you were sincere in wanting the truth to come out. I even thought that maybe you had lost someone in the bombing or had some other close ties since you are obviously very interested in this issue.

I am going to assume your motive is for the truth to come out. I can make the statements in this thread because I have been intimately involved in this investigation since almost the beginning (1995). I have met almost every one of Jayna’s witnesses. I have read the letters that came from the DA’s office to Jayna and her lawyer, and have read the letters that Jayna sent to the DA’s office. I am not just a mouthpiece for Jayna. I can post information which I know about personally. There is a lot more that I could say which would show an even greater level of involvement in this whole process, but this is all I am going to reveal to you. I am not really sure what you are questioning. Jayna did not give up her reporter privilege to protect her witnesses, if that is what you are implying. When she was subpoenaed to testify, she did not have to be compelled to give these names to the Grand Jury if the witnesses voluntarily gave their names to the Grand Jury. Actually, your statement is not logical, so I am not sure what you are asking but I do not like what you seem to be implying. Jayna sure was not going to broadcast to the world that these witnesses had asked to testify. If the Grand Jury had called them, their identities needed to be protected. (I get very upset when people put the witness names in public forums. Maybe people think that if the name is out there, it will give the witnesses safety. I happen to disagree with that thinking. Some of the witnesses have voluntarily come forward or were compelled to in the trials and that is a different story).

Jayna has spoken out on many radio programs all over the country. I have been able to hear most of those, by either being at her home when she did them or listening to a tape of the program. A lot of information is coming out that you may not have access to. I have the advantage of knowing what she is saying publicly.

By the way, what is your interest in this story? Did you lose someone close to you?
62 posted on 11/07/2002 9:09:50 AM PST by Nancie Drew
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To: thinden
Thinden,

Thanks for this information. Hoppy was on a different Grand Jury but the pattern probably still applies. He was on the original Grand Jury, not on the Oklahoma County Grand Jury that Jayna came before. Macy was in charge but the judge was Burkett.
63 posted on 11/07/2002 9:20:05 AM PST by Nancie Drew
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To: Nancie Drew
thanx for the clarification.

what is macy up to these days?
64 posted on 11/07/2002 10:24:40 AM PST by thinden
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To: thinden
Macy is retired and seems to not be in the best of health. I saw him on TV on election night with Wes Lane.
65 posted on 11/07/2002 10:35:47 AM PST by Nancie Drew
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To: Nancie Drew
By the way, what is your interest in this story? Did you lose someone close to you?

I was not close to any of the victims of the bombing or Police Officer Terry Yeakey, but I feel we all lost a great deal when they died.

I believe the same terrorist network that participated in the Oklahoma City bombing was responsible for the deaths on September 11 and I lost many people I feel very close to on that day.

My interest is the truth so to further the interest of truth why don't you ask Jayna Davis to release the Herb Johnson letter describing the directive to the FBI Oklahoma City Bombing Task Force to ignore the Middle Eastern participants in the bombing?

What is gained by keeping the Herb Johnson letter from the public?

66 posted on 11/07/2002 10:54:45 AM PST by honway
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To: honway
I am very sorry about your 9-11 loss. I did not lose anyone close either time, but I know what you mean by all feeling the loss.

It has been a long time since I have read the Herb Johnson letter. She has given that letter to media types and she has referred to it in some of the radio talk shows. The Herb Johnson letter memorialized Johnson’s conversation with the FBI to try to get them to go on the record clearing Hussaini. The FBI would not because it was still part of an active investigation. It takes a little bit of reaching to see that as a directive to “the FBI Oklahoma City Bombing Task Force to ignore the Middle Eastern participants in the bombing”. In a practical sense, though, that is exactly what has happened. That letter does not contain any directive, though, to do that. I am not sure I understand your last comment about keeping it from the public. It is not something that Jayna has any problem with sharing. It is such a complicated story that each time someone does an article or she does an interview, there is a limit to what can be included. I will try to find somewhere where she has mentioned it and maybe transcribe it. My problem is I have too many “irons in the fire” so I am not sure when. (My most fun “iron in the fire” is my 10-month-old grandson).
67 posted on 11/07/2002 1:25:24 PM PST by Nancie Drew
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To: Nancie Drew
It is not something that Jayna has any problem with sharing.

If you could post a copy here or on jaynadavis.com it would be very helpful for those interested in the truth.

I am not sure I understand your last comment about keeping it from the public.

Jayna has a copy of the Herb Johnson letter, since there is not a copy available anywhere else to my knowledge,she is in effect "keeping it from the public". A copy of the letter is much prefered over a transcript. There is no signature on a transcript.

Jayna has copies of prior warning memos, however no where are copies of these prior warning memos available to the public. That's what I mean by "keeping it from the public".

Why does she want to keep these documents from the public?

68 posted on 11/07/2002 2:01:35 PM PST by honway
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To: honway
Why don't you contact her. She has an e-mail address on her web page. Have you done that?
69 posted on 11/07/2002 2:05:49 PM PST by Nancie Drew
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To: Nancie Drew
Why don't you contact her. She has an e-mail address on her web page. Have you done that?

I will certainly try if you think that is the only way a copy of the Herb Johnson letter and copies of the prior warning documents can be placed on jaynadavis.com or Freerepublic.

Is there any downside to making public copies of these documents?
If not, I would be happy to provide you with my fax number and I could place actual images of the copies on Freerepublic.Please freepmail me if you are interested in getting images of the copies on FR and would like my help.

From a interview, Jayna Davis :

"I had in my possession prior warning documents that I was given six years ago by the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare which validated all the witness testimony in Oklahoma City..."

70 posted on 11/07/2002 2:31:24 PM PST by honway
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To: Nancie Drew; All
Why don't you contact her. She has an e-mail address on her web page. Have you done that?

Thanks for the suggestion. Jayna's email address is on her website at jaynadavis.com. I have emailed Jayna requesting that she post a copy of the Herb Johnson letter and copies of the prior warning documents on her website.

I would encourage anyone else interested in the truth about the OKC bombing to email Jayna and request that copies of the Herb Johnson letter and the prior warning documents be posted on her website.

If anyone is aware of any downside to these documents being posted, please let me know what it is.

71 posted on 11/07/2002 4:29:52 PM PST by honway
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To: thinden; glorygirl; Fred Mertz; TXnMA; PhilDragoo; Plummz; rubbertramp; backhoe; Sabertooth; ...
Please see replies #70 and #71.
Thank you for your consideration.
72 posted on 11/07/2002 5:10:50 PM PST by honway
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To: honway
I can't see a downside, and it would be helpful to those researching this matter.
73 posted on 11/07/2002 5:29:52 PM PST by backhoe
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To: widowithfoursons
When the primary witness is gone the tale can easily be arranged to fit the Feds line.

My question is why was the building torn down and hauled away before the investigaters could prove that the small explosion out on the street did all the damage.

Perhaps the truth would be too obvious after a bit of thinking.

74 posted on 11/07/2002 5:59:38 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: TXnMA
"No doubt in my mind that those giving orders to the FBI wanted to stop the investigation ..."

I think you are looking high enough. Most folks don't want to look that high up the line.

75 posted on 11/07/2002 6:03:52 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: thinden; Nancie Drew
Your post 60 re this juror's shouting "the Emperor's naked!" followed by Judge Russell's smack-down dismissal is chilling.

"Now who else on this jury wants to waste our time and risk your neck with the truth? Nobody? Wise decision, comrades."

76 posted on 11/07/2002 7:08:24 PM PST by PhilDragoo
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To: Nancie Drew
She has given that letter to media types and she has referred to it in some of the radio talk shows. The Herb Johnson letter memorialized Johnson’s conversation with the FBI to try to get them to go on the record clearing Hussaini

Obviously there is more than one Herb Johnson letter. The specific letter I am referring to is dated September 1998 and was prepared at the request of Dan Nelson. The letter specifically memorialized Herb Johnson's conversation with a member of the key personnel in the Commamd Center of the FBI's Oklahoma Bombing Task Force. The subject was the directive received by the Task Force to ignore any Middle Eastern connection to the Oklahoma City bombing. Have you read this letter?

77 posted on 11/07/2002 7:10:57 PM PST by honway
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To: B4Ranch
My question is why was the building torn down and hauled away before the investigaters could prove that the small explosion out on the street did all the damage.

For the same reason that the presidential limousine was stripped and rebuilt in 1963.

For the same reason that John Connally's suit was cleaned.

For the same reason that the Davidian complex was demolished.

Take our word for it: Lee Harvey Oswald fired all the shots in Dealey Plaza; the Davidians set the fire; Tim McVeigh's truck bomb involved no one else.

Richard Jewell was the Olympic Park bomber, the sniper is an angry white guy, Flight 800 had a fuel tank explosion.

Fire is caused by phlogiston, planets' orbits are circles, the earth is the center of the universe.

War is peace; freedom is slavery; ignorance is strength.

78 posted on 11/07/2002 7:33:11 PM PST by PhilDragoo
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To: yukong
Your theory in #38 is part of the equation. It doesn't explain Bush and Ashcroft's willing complicity.
79 posted on 11/07/2002 8:20:57 PM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: honway
Thanks a lot for keeping me on your ping list !!!!!
80 posted on 11/07/2002 8:33:43 PM PST by JudyB1938
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To: honway; thinden; All
FWIW--

There are many long-time followers of the OKC investigation here who have never forgotten-and will never forget- how Jayna Davis got OKCSubmariner banned from FR. It is quite reasonable in my mind to question if Jayna Davis--supposed crusader for truth--hasn't been compromised in some way.

She most certainly deserves credit for her efforts in the beginning to get to the truth--but her treatment of OKCSubmariner at the end suggests to me she has been compromised.

81 posted on 11/07/2002 8:54:25 PM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: Lion's Cub
I don't believe that.
82 posted on 11/07/2002 9:24:53 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: Lion's Cub; honway
Jayna Davis got OKCSubmariner banned from FR.

I do not believe that, either.

My understanding was that he was booted for (repeatedly) posting accusative statements as fact -- without attribution or references to back up his accusations.

Honway, we corresponded via FReepmail about Briley's getting booted. Do you belive Lion's Cub 's claim?

TXnMA (No Longer!!!)

83 posted on 11/07/2002 10:22:51 PM PST by TXnMA
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To: honway
Thank you for the update. This thread is quite an interesting read. Now, if I am understanding this issue correctly, I will make the following statement (my point of view as a professional investigator):

If producing "direct evidence" does not compromise the integrity of any current investigation or place any sources in jeopardy, I cannot find any logical reason for keeping it under wraps. In fact, making such evidence public would further legitimize the claims of the individual citing the evidence, and obviously bolster his/her credibility.

Having said that, am I missing something?

84 posted on 11/08/2002 12:31:25 AM PST by Huggy
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To: TXnMA
Thanks for including me in your querry to honway. If I'm wrong, I will retract my statement. Awaiting honway's answer, since I know honway saw more threads about this than I did.
85 posted on 11/08/2002 2:47:01 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: TXnMA
First, I have great respect for Lion's Cub's perspective.

Second, I would like to focus my comments toward encouraging Jayna Davis and Nancie Drew to post the Herb Johnson letter and the prior warning memos on jaynadavis.com.

The specific Herb Johnson letter I am referring to is the one written in September of 1998. Herb Johnson, before his death in November of 1998,was the chief of staff for Senator Inhofe. At the request of Dan Nelson, Herb Johnson wrote a letter memoralizing a conversation with a close friend who was working in the Command Center of the OKC Bombing Task Force. The letter descibed the directive the Task Force received approximately 72 hours after the bombing which ordered the FBI Agents to ignore the Middle Eastern participants in the bombing.

86 posted on 11/08/2002 5:31:22 AM PST by honway
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To: TXnMA
Piney Woods bump!
87 posted on 11/08/2002 5:38:37 AM PST by lodwick
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To: Huggy; All
In fact, making such evidence public would further legitimize the claims of the individual citing the evidence, and obviously bolster his/her credibility.

Thank you for staing it much more clearly than I can. In the "How can I Help" portion of Jayna's website, she encourages people to write our elected represenatives which is the best hope remaining for justice.
Many in Washington know the name Herb Johnson. Consider what an increased impact a letter to your Senator requesting an investigation into the ME connection would have if you could include a copy of Herb Johnson's letter describing the directive to ignore the ME connection to the bombing.

If Jayna would post a copy on her website it would bolster the case we are all trying to make to our family, friends and elected officials. Please consider emailing jayna at jaynadavis.com and requesting a copy of the Herb Johnson letter and the prior warning documents be posted at jaynadavis.com.

If she posts the documents, I believe others and I can be more effective in carrying out her recommendations in "How Can I Help".

_____________________________________________________________

From jaynadavis.com

How can I help?

There are a number of different ways to get involved.

First, contact your elected representatives, both local and national, and urge them to look into this matter and contact Jayna. Write them a personal letter (please NO mass chain emails!) and express your concern and an expectation that they will respond properly.

Second, contact your local print and broadcast media (both TV and radio) and suggest they cover the story.

Third, share the JaynaDavis.com link with your friends and post the link on any message board threads that have already mentioned the investigation

88 posted on 11/08/2002 6:03:40 AM PST by honway
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To: JudyB1938
Thanks for considering the information in reply #88.
89 posted on 11/08/2002 6:18:12 AM PST by honway
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To: PhilDragoo
And there were no Islamo terrorists blowing up the Murrah Building.

...and that's because Rush Limbaugh and AM talk radio were really to blame...

90 posted on 11/08/2002 6:38:37 AM PST by martin gibson
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To: rwfromkansas; Wm Bach; truth defector
Please see replies #70,71, and 88.
91 posted on 11/08/2002 6:49:50 AM PST by honway
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To: thinden
I did not have sex with, that woman ...

Sorry, wrong thread!

92 posted on 11/08/2002 6:54:18 AM PST by antidisestablishment
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To: Lion's Cub
Your theory in #38 is part of the equation. It doesn't explain Bush and Ashcroft's willing complicity.

I don't believe that there is any complicity on the part of President Bush and AG Ashcroft. You must understand the pecking order within the Justice Department. There are numerous layers within Justice, and the FBI. I can't remember the number, but within the FBI alone, there are thousands and thousands of employees. Decisions can be made by midlevel management that won't reach the upper levels within Justice in DC, or the AG and most certainly the Oval Office. And field agents can be controlled by midlevel management, and told to drop this investigation or that, and Washington will never know. And remember, this all occurred under the Clinton administration. Under the Clinton justice department. Under Reno. Now tell me. Do you think that Clinton's justice department could be compromised? Remember, what was the one thing that Clinton was striving for to establish his legacy? Mid-East Peace. Peace between Israel and the Arab nations. What would the open knowledge of arab nation sponsored acts of war against the US cause? A US military response to the arab nation or nations that sponsored that act of war. What would US military action against an Arab nation do to middle east peace? Well, it would kill it. Thus killing Clinton's legacy. Therefore, acknowledgement that the OKC bombing was tied to one or more arab group or nation would have killed Clinton's legacy. Therefore, the possibility that the investigation was re-routed another direction. Clinton and Reno are gone. But, many of those midlevel justice operatives are still in place. Their butts are still on the line. President Bush and AG Ashcroft came into office, in the dark, because the lights were turned out on this thing years before Bush and Ashcroft were in positions to look. I believe that if this evidence can ever truely see the light of day, then Bush and Ashcroft will do the right thing. I don't believe that they will cover it up. But they depend on those midlevel Justice operatives. They can only rely on what is given to them. So it will take a congressional review/task force/investigation to ferret out the truth.

But hey, that is just my humble opinion. I have no evidence other than what Jayna has uncovered, and my beliefs. Other than to reiterate again. I was there on 4-19-95. I stood at the lip of the blast crater around 9:45 AM. I ran harder than I have ever run, or will run again, when the fireman popped up out of the rubble and hollered that he had found another possible bomb. (Turns out it was some type of device in the rubble of the ATF office.) I ran to the makeshift command post near the intersection of 7th and Harvey. And I was there when the ranking officers were discussing that fact that witnesses had seen two (2) middle eastern men (actually, I believe the term used was "arab" men) were seen fleeing the Murrah building in a pickup truck, just moments before the bomb went off. I remember, LEOs making statements that it was time for us, the US, to "nuke those damn ra_ heads off the face of the earth". And I remember hearing the LE discussions regarding the APBs and BOLOs that were immediately thereafter released to all of us LEOs. And, I know that there were numerous arabic men that were stopped and detained for questioning the first few hours after the bombing. So, I will always believe, and I will go to my grave with the belief that there were others involved. Was there ME state sponsorship? I don't have first hand knowledge of that. But were McVeigh and Nichols alone? From what I saw, and heard, NO.

93 posted on 11/08/2002 2:34:23 PM PST by yukong
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To: widowithfoursons
"Again I ask; "Why was McVeigh's execution expedited?"

Ashcrofts handlers said, "Keep this mess covered up!!".

And he did as he was told....

94 posted on 11/08/2002 2:51:43 PM PST by hove
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To: TXnMA
The same thing I've been saying for a long while!
Release the Videotapes Notra Trulock Saturday, Nov. 9, 2002
Twice in recent months, Patterson has reported that Chairman Dan Burton's House Government Reform Committee investigators have uncovered the possible whereabouts of videotapes and photographs of the Murrah Federal Building from the day of the bombing. The Final Report of the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee (OKBIC) noted the existence of such tapes, but the Justice Department has adamantly refused to release them, even in response to Freedom of Information Act requests.

Release the Tapes!

95 posted on 11/09/2002 7:22:40 AM PST by philman_36
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To: philman_36
I have posted the Notra Trulock article found by philman_36 as a new thread here.
96 posted on 11/09/2002 8:46:11 AM PST by TXnMA
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To: TXnMA
I saw.
97 posted on 11/09/2002 8:53:17 AM PST by philman_36
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To: honway
.....named general counsel for the Oklahoma Corporation Commission.

traditionally, oklahoma corporation commission appointments have been a real political plum for supporters of the governor?

98 posted on 11/10/2002 6:40:54 AM PST by thinden
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To: yukong
(Turns out it was some type of device in the rubble of the ATF office.)

Sorry, yukong, you have been misinformed.

99 posted on 11/10/2002 8:28:18 PM PST by honway
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To: honway
Well, I don't know in what way I was misinformed. All I know is that the fireman thought he found another bomb. Another bomb didn't go off. My point in that statement was that I was there. Because of the second bomb scare, I ran to the area where the make shift command post had been established giving me the opportunity to listen in on conversations with the head LEOs who were discussing the early witness statements. I was simply giving the information as a frame of reference. I have heard the theories that there were bombs placed at strategic points in the building, and that there was a undetonated bomb found. And I have heard the theories that there was some sort of bomb in the ATF office, that belonged to the ATF. I do not believe either. If in fact there was an undetonated bomb, of either type, they would not have let us back into the building area as quickly as they did. The evacuation was not lengthy enough for an undetonated bomb to have been disarmed, and safely removed. That is just my opinion. Nothing to base that on. Just my opinion, based on my observations.
100 posted on 11/10/2002 9:09:33 PM PST by yukong
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