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FINAL ZOGBY 'SPECIAL SAUCE' NUMBERS (Polling at 9PM last night)
Zogby America/MSNBC /Newseek ^ | November 4, 2002 | John Zogby

Posted on 11/05/2002 7:08:16 AM PST by pollster

FINAL ZOGBY NUMBERS (two sets of figures, first is factoring in leaners and eliminating undecideds 'special sauce', second set is raw data)

SD SENATE THUNE (R) OVER JOHNSON (D) 52-47 (48-44)

TEXAS SENATE CORNYN (R) OVER KIRK (D) 50-46 (46-42)

NC SENATE DOLE (R) OVER BOWLES (D) 53-43 (46-39)

MN SENATE MONDALE (R) OVER COLEMAN (D) 51-45 (49-44)

GA SENATE CLELAND (D) OVER CHAMBLISS (R) 50-48 (46-44)

CO SENATE STRICKLAND (D) OVER ALLARD (R) 51-46 (49-44)

AR SENATE PRYOR (D) OVER HUTCHINSON (R) 56-43 (50-41)


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: johnzogby; marginoferror; senateraces; thespecialsauce
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To: BlackRazor
Youre right, that auto feature blocked out the article while I was reading the thread.
41 posted on 11/05/2002 7:48:33 AM PST by pollster
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To: Redbob
And Cornyn's going to whip Kirk in Texas, 55% - 43%!

Yeaaaaaaah!!!!! Whip A*S!!!!

42 posted on 11/05/2002 8:02:04 AM PST by shiva
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To: Dems_R_Losers
Scott Rasmussen told Sean Hannity last night that he had just polled in Colorado and thought Allard would pull it out. He thought the Senate would come down to Georgia and possibly to the runoff in Louisiana.

Do you not even remember the election 2000 debacle that was Scott Rsmussen and the Portrait of America poll? He had Bush winning 41 states and leading Gore by 9 points. People here lost money betting co-workers, family, and friends by listening to Rasmussen 2 years ago.

My prediction on the other hand is that the Senate will be either 51-48-1 or 50-49-1.. either way. Some of these races will be tight. Georgia, Texas, and Colorado will decide who controls the Senate.

43 posted on 11/05/2002 8:06:15 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: dogbyte12
Isn't Texas in the bank?
44 posted on 11/05/2002 8:07:27 AM PST by pollster
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To: pollster
But does he factor in who sits in the AG's office?

Reno vs. Ashcroft?

45 posted on 11/05/2002 8:08:38 AM PST by skeeter
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To: pollster
From my experience, the truly relevant numbers are the trend numbers. Where you have a race where the numbers show a two point difference from September 1 to election day; the turnout comes in on the projected number; the result is the same two point difference--it was a close race; it was always a close race; but there were two percent more D's than R's (or they consistently voted the 2% local graveyard successfully).

On the other hand, I have been involved in many political campaigns where the R is down six on the weekend before the election but is running an effective campaign where the down six was down twelve the weekend earlier and where the result on Tuesday is that the R wins by two.

Because of the late insertion of Mondale, you can't get real hard numbers on what the trend there is doing although my sense of things is that it is running for Coleman.

The problem for Colorado and it is of interest on this site, is not the basic Allard-Strickland race, there is a Libertarian who is running hard to the right of Allard and the trend that is important is that his number has gone from fractional (below one percent) to over five percent, primarily from Allard. Whether a real free enterprise constitutional Republican can win in Colorado or not I do not know. However it is very difficult to beat a real agenda with appeal with fuzz--Allard has a problem with the core constituency; they are drifting to the Libertarian. In these kinds of races, I personally tend to vote for the Libertarian because I think we are better off without the liberal R that votes with the Dems half the time and ultimately pulls a Jefford on you--but here, hard core types in Colorado have to recognize that by pulling the L handle, they may be handing the Senate back to Daschle. Usually, a lot of the third party vote comes back in the polling booth but in the Colorado race, it looks like a large enough margin that may not have the result you would hope for.

As to Georgia, Lousiana, and we hope Minnessota, (as well as South Dakota and Missouri where except for the risk of successful fraud, the races are probably over) it looks like the trend is going in favor of the Republican (or at least sufficiently against Mary to put her in a run-off she is likely to lose in La) and it is certainly fair to hope that we may pull enough of these out to gain control.

46 posted on 11/05/2002 8:14:02 AM PST by David
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To: pollster
Isn't Texas in the bank?

There are problems already in Texas with over 100,000 early ballots in San Antonio, because the ballot wasn't legally approved. They may get tossed. Texas could become Florida. I don't even know if these 100,000 votes will be counted tonight. If the margin of victory is under 100k... Texas will be a big old mess. Kirk has surged to a couple points in Texas. Tonight is going to be interesting.

47 posted on 11/05/2002 8:15:23 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: pollster
IF WE WIN GEORGIA AND CO. WE WILL TAKE BACK THE SENATE!

Agreed, from your mouth to God's ears. If we lose though, personally I'm blaming Tim Hutchinson.

48 posted on 11/05/2002 8:26:10 AM PST by jpl
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To: David
I've seen Colorado trending ahead to our side this weekend and I'm sticking to a razor thin win there.

Georgia is an absolute dead heat 47-47

49 posted on 11/05/2002 8:29:48 AM PST by pollster
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To: jpl
Of course we could pick up Minnesota as well, but I haven't seen any numbers since the weekend. (all still within margin of error)
50 posted on 11/05/2002 8:31:56 AM PST by pollster
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To: Russ
Your right. The polesters are like the meteorologists. They get by with it.

Last winter I was in my doctor's office in Albuquerque. He pulled back the blind and looked out the window and said, "Damn, it snowing. It wasn't supposed to snow today. Those weather forecasters--the only people I know that are consistently wrong and never get sued or fired."

51 posted on 11/05/2002 8:59:40 AM PST by Pushi
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