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Court says Chicago can try linking Crime, Gun Industry
Chicago Sun Times ^ | November 5, 2002 | FRANK MAIN AND FRAN SPIELMAN

Posted on 11/06/2002 3:09:57 PM PST by Truth Telling Guy

Court says Chicago can try linking crime, gun industry

November 5, 2002

BY FRANK MAIN AND FRAN SPIELMAN STAFF REPORTERS

Chicago won a major legal victory Monday when an Illinois appeals court ruled the city can sue gunmakers and dealers for creating a public nuisance with their products.

The ruling came more than two years after a lower court dismissed the city's $433 million lawsuit against the gun industry.

"This is another important victory for gun victims and cities and local governments that are trying to stem the tide of violence," said Jonathan Lowy of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

Larry Rosenthal, an assistant corporation counsel for the city, said the opinion "revolutionized" public nuisance laws, which in the past have been applied to conventional polluters like power plants.

"In our view," the court wrote, "plaintiff's complaint sufficiently pleads facts that, notwithstanding actual knowledge that the guns would be brought into Chicago and used in crimes, the manufacturers, distributors and dealers failed to alter their actions, thereby creating a public nuisance."

The opinion added that a "reasonable trier of fact could find that the criminal misuse of guns to kill persons were occurrences that defendants knew would result or were substantially certain to result from the defendants' alleged conduct here."

Late last year, the appeals court upheld a similar lawsuit that the families of gunshot victims filed in 1998. Among the victims were Chicago police Officer Michael Ceriale, shot to death in 1998 on a drug stakeout, and Andrew Young, killed in 1996 at a stoplight in Rogers Park.

"Today's decision is not all that surprising, given what the appellate court did in Young," said James P. Dorr, a defense attorney for gunmakers in both lawsuits. "I anticipate we will ask the Illinois Supreme Court to overturn this case, too. . . . The City of Chicago alleges the firearms manufacturers market the guns to criminals, which is false."

Richard Pearson of the Illinois State Rifle Association called Monday's ruling "ludicrous."

"They are out to wipe out firearms dealers one way or another," he said. "If this can be done with firearms, what about the getaway car used in robberies or the baseball bat someone uses in a beating or the computer the auditor uses to doctor documents? These are inanimate objects. It requires a criminal to misuse them."

The city's central argument in its 1998 lawsuit was that the gun industry knowingly used a handful of suburban dealers as a pipeline to flood the city with guns that traffickers in turn supplied to criminals.

The city presented evidence that 1 percent of area gun dealers were responsible for 48 percent of gun-related crimes.

Of the 21 lawsuits that municipalities have brought against the gun industry, 10 have been dismissed. Cases in Cincinnati and California are moving toward trial. Meanwhile, the gun industry is pushing legislation in Congress that would provide immunity from such lawsuits, Lowy said


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: gunconfiscation; gunlawsuits; gunsandcrime
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It figures that they would sneak something like this in election time.

Richard Pearson of the Illinois State Rifle Association called Monday's ruling "ludicrous."

"They are out to wipe out firearms dealers one way or another," he said.

1 posted on 11/06/2002 3:09:58 PM PST by Truth Telling Guy
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To: Truth Telling Guy
Lets Illinois boasts
Springfield Armory
Armalite
Rock River
Richard Heine
Les Baer
and a whole bunch of big names in the high end firearms business...
Where we moving to guys..MO and GA looking good...
2 posted on 11/06/2002 3:16:46 PM PST by joesnuffy
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To: Truth Telling Guy
Their agenda is a total ban on guns. They have not been able to achieve that so they try to bankrupt the gunmakers. These lawsuits are an abuse of our legal system and every attorney and political hack that files these cases should be disbarred. They took an oath to uphold the constitution and they are trying to dismantle it.

For good news, watch The Liberty Belles on television Friday. We have an appearance on The Rob Nelson Show. Check your area for times.

3 posted on 11/06/2002 3:18:12 PM PST by Feiny
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To: feinswinesuksass
Piece by piece they are achieving gun confiscation through successful mass shootings and the sniper shootings.

There's nothing these gun grabbers love more than mass shootings.

4 posted on 11/06/2002 3:26:15 PM PST by Truth Telling Guy
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To: feinswinesuksass
This of course came out on election day. This definitely appears as a political manuever.This is Rod Blagojevich's(D)
(govenor elect) baby. So I guess we'll be shooting paper wads at criminals. This is ridiculous.
5 posted on 11/06/2002 3:27:18 PM PST by ChiMark
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To: Truth Telling Guy
"The opinion added that a "reasonable trier of fact could find that the criminal misuse of guns to kill persons were occurrences that defendants knew would result or were substantially certain to result from the defendants' alleged conduct here."

Oh, be very, very careful for almost all legal swords are double edged. Hence, automobile makers can be sued under this premise for any death where a car was involved; bath tub makers stand to lose millons from accidential drownings, and wine makes may be sued for the natural consequence of users becoming alcoholics.
6 posted on 11/06/2002 3:37:11 PM PST by Res Nullius
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To: ChiMark
In war and politics nothing happens by accident...
7 posted on 11/06/2002 3:40:42 PM PST by Truth Telling Guy
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To: dd5339; cavtrooper21
The creeps just never give up do they? Sorta like Return of the Living Dead...
8 posted on 11/06/2002 3:55:31 PM PST by Vic3O3
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To: Truth Telling Guy
The second amendment trumps state law, as I read it. It doesn't limit its scope to the federal government.

If I have that right, it follows that a federal judge should overrule this ruling, if it survives the Illinois supreme court.

9 posted on 11/06/2002 4:17:30 PM PST by secretagent
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To: Truth Telling Guy
The citizens of Chicago will be very upset when all gun manufacturers decide not to sell any guns to Chicago law enforcement agencies and federal agencies located in Chicago.
10 posted on 11/06/2002 4:22:33 PM PST by Zon
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To: Truth Telling Guy
"In our view," the court wrote, "plaintiff's complaint sufficiently pleads facts that, notwithstanding actual knowledge that the AUTOMOBILES would be brought into Chicago and used in crimes, the manufacturers, distributors and dealers failed to alter their actions, thereby creating a public nuisance."

The opinion added that a "reasonable trier of fact could find that the criminal misuse of AUTOMOBILES to kill persons were occurrences that defendants knew would result or were substantially certain to result from the defendants' alleged conduct here."

What's the difference?

11 posted on 11/06/2002 4:38:32 PM PST by gunnut
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To: Zon
The citizens of Chicago will be very upset when all gun manufacturers decide not to sell any guns to Chicago law enforcement agencies and federal agencies located in Chicago.

10 posted on 11/06/2002 4:22 PM PST by Zon

No they'll get their guns...it's the citizens(subjects) who who are to be disarmed. Your knights don't get disarmed, they have to be armed to protect the elites from the subjects when they get fed up of having their freedoms and rights taken away.

12 posted on 11/06/2002 4:38:41 PM PST by Truth Telling Guy
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To: Zon
You're gonna' just love being a slave after they complete the process of using mass shootings and violent crime that they encourage to disarm you.
13 posted on 11/06/2002 4:40:19 PM PST by Truth Telling Guy
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To: Truth Telling Guy
Note the movie "Braveheart". Classic example of a people ruled by a weapons banning tyrannical government
14 posted on 11/06/2002 4:42:46 PM PST by CAfraudPI
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To: gunnut
What's the difference?

Nearly all liberals have cars. This is not true of guns. Remember that the liberal mantra is to accept pain endured by others if it makes things better for the liberal self.

15 posted on 11/06/2002 4:43:54 PM PST by meyer
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To: gunnut
If they don't steal the elections we just got 3 or four Patriots elected to the state house in Maryland.
16 posted on 11/06/2002 4:44:26 PM PST by Truth Telling Guy
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To: Truth Telling Guy
No they'll get their guns...it's the citizens(subjects) who who are to be disarmed. Your knights don't get disarmed, they have to be armed to protect the elites from the subjects when they get fed up of having their freedoms and rights taken away.

And, of course, our aldermen will still carry and our "deputies" will still carry.

17 posted on 11/06/2002 4:45:54 PM PST by Fifth Business
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To: meyer
Nearly all liberals have cars. This is not true of guns.

The liberal leadership definitely have guns. The "problem" is that they very well can't use them to enslave people who also have guns.

18 posted on 11/06/2002 4:56:57 PM PST by supercat
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To: Truth Telling Guy

19 posted on 11/06/2002 5:13:30 PM PST by Cindy
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To: supercat
The liberal leadership definitely have guns. The "problem" is that they very well can't use them to enslave people who also have guns.

That is so very true as well.

FMCDH

20 posted on 11/06/2002 6:01:51 PM PST by meyer
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