Posted on 11/08/2002 1:09:07 PM PST by Tomalak
Every abortion of which I am familiar was the man's choice. The woman's choice was not to have the abortion.
As for black and white morality, I don't know any morality that is not "black and "white" in the sense that you mean it. Morality is about telling you what is right and what is wrong. People who talk about grey areas in my experience just want to avoid calling a spade a spade, a terrorist a terrorist and something evil evil.
Cite a single example of this occurring prior to Roe v. Wade. Go ahead, we'll wait.
[Cue the crickets.]
That ended when an additional body began to grow within it.
Place your right heel on the floor and hold your foot at a 45 degree angle, toes upward. Now lower your toes to the floor. It would be silly to tell you that you don't have a right to make that motion with your body. However, now imagine yourself in your car, driving down the street. About half a block ahead of you, an old woman steps into the street and begins to jaywalk. At that moment, you no longer have the right to make that movement with your foot, for doing so will accelerate the car and run over the old woman. Regardless of the fact that she is herself violating the law, you do not have a legal right to take an action (the aforementioned foot movement) which will injure or kill her. In fact, your legal (and moral) obligation is to move your foot to the brake to try and avoid running her down.
So you see, no one has an absolute right to control their body in every situation.
Riddle me this: why is it that the courts can force a man into life support for eighteen years but a woman has a right to terminate life support that would last at most nine months?
"Morals" are a deceptive replacement for the avoidance of sin. Morality is a human invention. Morals come from man. Conviction of the Holy Spirit comes from God - - if you are a Christian.
I challenge many people who use the argument of "morality" as opposed to logic. The Religious Left uses the bait and switch (borrowed from Sears) "moral" argument to justify public funding of abortion.
I am an atheist who is stridently anti-abortion. Abortion is a ritualized mass murder cult, a widespread human sacrifice of the idolatrous and Pagan Religious Left...
Where do I get this idea?
Consider the words of Thomas Hobbes' Leviathan:
Part IV. Of the Kingdom of DarknessChap. xlv. Of Demonology and other Relics of the Religion of the Gentiles.
[14] An image, in the most strict signification of the word, is the resemblance of something visible: in which sense the fantastical forms, apparitions, or seemings of visible bodies to the sight, are only images; such as are the show of a man or other thing in the water, by reflection or refraction; or of the sun or stars by direct vision in the air; which are nothing real in the things seen, nor in the place where they seem to be; nor are their magnitudes and figures the same with that of the object, but changeable, by the variation of the organs of sight, or by glasses; and are present oftentimes in our imagination, and in our dreams, when the object is absent; or changed into other colours, and shapes, as things that depend only upon the fancy. And these are the images which are originally and most properly called ideas and idols, and derived from the language of the Grecians, with whom the word eido signifieth to see. They are also called phantasms, which is in the same language, apparitions. And from these images it is that one of the faculties of man's nature is called the imagination. And from hence it is manifest that there neither is, nor can be, any image made of a thing invisible.
[15] It is also evident that there can be no image of a thing infinite: for all the images and phantasms that are made by the impression of things visible are figured. But figure is quantity every way determined, and therefore there can be no image of God, nor of the soul of man, nor of spirits; but only of bodies visible, that is, bodies that have light in themselves, or are by such enlightened.
[16] And whereas a man can fancy shapes he never saw, making up a figure out of the parts of divers creatures, as the poets make their centaurs, chimeras and other monsters never seen, so can he also give matter to those shapes, and make them in wood, clay or metal. And these are also called images, not for the resemblance of any corporeal thing, but for the resemblance of some phantastical inhabitants of the brain of the maker. But in these idols, as they are originally in the brain, and as they are painted, carved moulded or molten in matter, there is a similitude of one to the other, for which the material body made by art may be said to be the image of the fantastical idol made by nature.
"...but for the resemblance of some phantastical inhabitants of the brain of the maker. But in these idols, as they are originally in the brain, and as they are painted, carved moulded or molten in matter, there is a similitude of one to the other,..."
Idolatry. Graven images...
Søren Kierkegaard from The Sickness Unto Death:
The fantastic is, of course, most closely related to the imagination [Phantasien], but the imagination is related in it’s turn to feeling, understanding, and will, so that a person’s feelings, understanding and will may be fantastic. Fantasy is, in general the medium of infinitization… (emphasis mine)The fantastic is generally speaking what carries a person into the infinite in such a way that it only leads him away from himself and thus prevents him from coming back to himself.
Thomas Hobbes' Leviathan:
Part IV. Of the Kingdom of DarknessChap. xlv. Of Demonology and other Relics of the Religion of the Gentiles.
[14] An image, in the most strict signification of the word, is the resemblance of something visible: in which sense the fantastical forms, apparitions, or seemings of visible bodies to the sight, are only images; such as are the show of a man or other thing in the water, by reflection or refraction; or of the sun or stars by direct vision in the air; which are nothing real in the things seen, nor in the place where they seem to be; nor are their magnitudes and figures the same with that of the object, but changeable, by the variation of the organs of sight, or by glasses; and are present oftentimes in our imagination, and in our dreams, when the object is absent; or changed into other colours, and shapes, as things that depend only upon the fancy. And these are the images which are originally and most properly called ideas and idols, and derived from the language of the Grecians, with whom the word eido signifieth to see. They are also called phantasms, which is in the same language, apparitions. And from these images it is that one of the faculties of man's nature is called the imagination. And from hence it is manifest that there neither is, nor can be, any image made of a thing invisible.
[15] It is also evident that there can be no image of a thing infinite: for all the images and phantasms that are made by the impression of things visible are figured. But figure is quantity every way determined, and therefore there can be no image of God, nor of the soul of man, nor of spirits; but only of bodies visible, that is, bodies that have light in themselves, or are by such enlightened.
[16] And whereas a man can fancy shapes he never saw, making up a figure out of the parts of divers creatures, as the poets make their centaurs, chimeras and other monsters never seen, so can he also give matter to those shapes, and make them in wood, clay or metal. And these are also called images, not for the resemblance of any corporeal thing, but for the resemblance of some phantastical inhabitants of the brain of the maker. But in these idols, as they are originally in the brain, and as they are painted, carved moulded or molten in matter, there is a similitude of one to the other, for which the material body made by art may be said to be the image of the fantastical idol made by nature.
Democrats: anti-choice on everything but infanticide.
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