To: ravinson
Moreover, being pro-choice is not the same as being pro-abortion.Oh please. NOBODY, even Gloria Steinem and Molly Yard, would WANT to go through the physical reality of an abortion, or even have their daughters go through the procedure. Nobody is pro-abortion, in that sense.
But when you stand by and watch evil happen, even though you personally wouldn't do the evil, you are on the side of evil.
To: Lizavetta
No one is responsible for what others do. Its on their own souls.
39 posted on
11/08/2002 3:57:52 PM PST by
RKV
To: Lizavetta
But when you stand by and watch evil happen, even though you personally wouldn't do the evil, you are on the side of evil. Even if you could prove that abortion is evil, there would still be a moral difference between (a) not using force to restrain it and (b) actively promoting it. I'd bet that you're doing nothing to actively prevent murders happening all over the world, yet that doesn't make you "pro-murder".
57 posted on
11/08/2002 4:13:21 PM PST by
ravinson
To: Lizavetta; God is good; ravinson; Cicero
"Nobody is pro-abortion, in that sense."
I beg to differ. Planned Parenthood and NOW, fr'instance, has no compunctions about advocating that money be sent to the Chinese government to enforce their utterly immoral population restriction law via abortions. Having encountered many radical feminists and lefties, I can say with all certainty that plenty of them see abortion as objectively neutral act that liberates women, increasing their control over their lives, etc etc. In fact, I bet if you were to dig into the many vocal advocates, you would find that the majority consider it perfectly ok, with just a vague sense of "ickiness" for the details.
That is being pro-abortion, whether they mask it as pro-choice or whatever. It comes from the same sense of false rationality and cruelty that promotes communism and the other variations of collectivism.
On the other hand, there is the view, which I share, that abortion is immoral, wrong, and irresponsible; however, government restriction in this matter, much like with drugs, is a worse evil because it does little to halt the practice while criminalizing a large segment of the populace for what is, after all, within their bodies. Forcing someone to bear children is a greater evil, irrespective of circumstance, than allowing them the choice.
The onus is upon those of us that have been exposed to the harsh truths behind abortion, the photographs, the traumatized ex-mothers, to spread the word, and make it clear that humanity cannot tolerate such behaviour if it is to be civilized and moral. The truth stands on its own, without government coercion.
Hence, Pro-Choice. Anti-Government. Etc. I don't expect you to agree, of course. It is far too much fun for many here at FR to slander libertarians as often as possible, sometimes due to the goofy naivete some of them display, but mostly from some cynical brand of pleasure. So be it; it is not like we do not choose our company. But is it at least possible to see the difference between pro-abortion and pro-choice (or whatever you wish to call it)?
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