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Pentagon Plans a Computer System That Would Peek at Personal Data of Americans
New York Times

Posted on 11/09/2002 9:31:25 AM PST by rs79bm

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To: FormerLurker
Gibson also discussed this tonight. If I understood him correctly, he favors it. His opinion seems to be that the government should just do it and not tell anyone that they are building dosiers on all 280 million of us. I hope to hell that I heard him wrong and that he didn't really say such a foolish thing!

I intended to call my lawmakers (they do not deserve to be called representatives or congressmen any more) but am still debating if there is any point to it. Not one single republican has come out to oppose this unconstitutional seizure of power. No one from the WH or pentagon has come forth to deny it. I have not heard it discussed on "conservative" radio. Americans in general don't seem to give a damn that those in the government are now establishing an SS. And no one has called for Poindexter's resignation despite his illegal proposal!

So why should I give a damn? Why should I risk bringing the power of a currently-forming dictatorship down on me and mine? I'm not going to fight for freedom for a nation if the nation is going to hand it over to some ass*ole like Poindexter!

I just don't understand why people who call themselves Americans don't see that the government is now far more of a threat than terrorists will ever be...

141 posted on 11/14/2002 5:08:14 PM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: Lion's Cub
Not one single republican has come out to oppose this unconstitutional seizure of power.

Hey, it's all about "Homeland Security". They can and will use that as the vehicle for their unconstitutional ideations. But everybody is jumping up and down for joy at how great it is that it'll be rammed through Congres with little or no thought, and with few if any objections.

Why should I risk bringing the power of a currently-forming dictatorship down on me and mine?

It probably wouldn't do much good at this point. They're going to do it, no matter what.

I just don't understand why people who call themselves Americans don't see that the government is now far more of a threat than terrorists will ever be...

Through decades of brainwashing. Deliberate brainwashing that was developed and utilized for this very purpose. That's how I see it at least...

142 posted on 11/14/2002 5:17:09 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
You're absolutely right: the Constitution of the United States sets up a limited government. The thing is, there is no such thing as "limited" government. Government is that entity which has the monopoly of force in a given society. By definition, government is that power which, by virtue of its ability to defeat any other power or combination of powers extant in that society, can compel obedience through the use of force. That's what government is -- and I mean all government: representative republic, oligarchy, aristocracy, tribal hieracrchy, theocracy, military dictatorship, Athenian democracy -- the key is different in each case but the song remains the same.

Obedience to the rule of law lasts precisely as long as honor is the main motivator of the ruling class in a given society; once the definition becomes "whatever I can get away with", the constitution is dead, and Might Makes Right again. World War II is a perfect example: it was unconstitutional to declare martial law in Hawaii, it was unconstitutional to strongarm publishers into withholding sensitive information, it was unconstitutional to imprison the Nisei of California -- but the government did it anyway. Were they wrong to do those things? No, not in my opinion, but the point is that at the end of the day the government -- any government -- can do whatever it wants.

In simple terms: the group that has the most guns wins. There is, therefore, no such thing as a "free" country. There are only free men. And what is a free man? A free man is a man who submits himself to the Natural Law. Government and constitutions cannot create freedom; God creates freedom when men live under His law. "Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is LIberty."

Of course, no man lives by the Law; we all do things that are objectively evil. Theerfore, God institutes governments among men to establish justice, protect the citizens from aggression, and enforce contracts. Those functions can be carried out by any government so long as the people running that government are moral men. When the moral fabric of a culture decays, the patchwork of the State disintegrates -- and we find ourselves once again naked and defenseless before the wolves.

I reeat: There are no free countries; there are only free men.. Men are the most free when they are servants of God; the level of repression in a given society is inversely proportional to the morality of its members. People get the government they deserve -- so why are we all so surprised by all this? We chose not to be ruled by God; now we will be ruled by men.

This database thing doesn't bother me one whit. The government can already track us like cattle in a pasture; this only makes the process more efficient. Unless and until Caesar demands that I render unto him what rightfully belongs only to God, I'm not concerned about him.

Maybe he'll do his job for once and keep the Saracen from blowing up my family with an atom bomb.

143 posted on 11/14/2002 5:50:55 PM PST by B-Chan
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To: FreeReign
Amendment V

What, that old dead letter again?

144 posted on 11/15/2002 5:22:20 PM PST by Dr.Deth
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