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Pentagon Plans a Computer System That Would Peek at Personal Data of Americans
New York Times

Posted on 11/09/2002 9:31:25 AM PST by rs79bm

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To: hoosierham
These proposals are un-American and anti-freedom in themselves.

It's simply amazing that there are those who'd sacrifice Freedom for the temporary perception of "safety". Those who'd sacrifice Freedom deserve neither Freedom nor safety.

81 posted on 11/09/2002 10:43:39 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: realwoman
Since put in place, this computer system has been used for a whole lot more than "tracking deadbeat dads".

That's been the plan all along. Add the "domestic violence" issue, where a woman with a hair up her butt can walk into any courthouse in America in order to get a "restraining order" which requires the defendent to turn in ALL firearms under the threat of being convicted as a felon, things are becoming QUITE clear to those of us that still have eyes and ears as well as a mind that isn't numb.

82 posted on 11/09/2002 10:47:22 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
"Anyone who runs a server can capture packets and read what is being sent. Anyone."

This isn't just packet sniffing. This is database triangulation -- all of that "private" marketing data, credit data, banking, etc., all coming together in a database that gets analyzed by algorithm for patterns of behavior.

Marketers pay billions for the data on us, just to learn how to control our buying behavior... and it always works. Spending 10 million on an ad campaign that has nothing to do with your product will increase your sales more than lowering your prices.

This will not only be a privacy invader, it will be an analysis tool for designing and implementing propoganda.

83 posted on 11/09/2002 10:49:05 PM PST by Anchoragite
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To: FormerLurker
Don't even get me started on VAWA.....what a bunch of crap!


84 posted on 11/09/2002 10:50:50 PM PST by realwoman
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To: realwoman
And people wonder why we question the motives behind this new wonderful database technology and the way it'll be used, run by the 'Homeland Security' office no doubt.
85 posted on 11/09/2002 11:00:51 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
But WHO are they gonna get to set this one up, they can't use Arthur Anderson again........


86 posted on 11/09/2002 11:03:42 PM PST by realwoman
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To: All
This seems related:

I found an older article on news.com about the White House's cyberspace security plan.

From the link:

It says the executive branch should consult with privacy groups and attempt to preserve civil liberties, but concludes that in some cases, privacy could be limited. "Allowing completely anonymous communications on a wide-scale basis, with no possibility of determining the source, could shelter criminal, or even terrorist communications," the draft says.

Not only do we get the TIA system, anonymous communication could be outlawed too
87 posted on 11/09/2002 11:08:29 PM PST by SkyRat
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To: realwoman
But WHO are they gonna get to set this one up, they can't use Arthur Anderson again........

Probably some Indian sweat shop or a bunch of H1-B visa workers here in the US.

88 posted on 11/09/2002 11:20:57 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
Oh, I thought they might use some poor "abused" women to get them off welfare.


89 posted on 11/09/2002 11:26:47 PM PST by realwoman
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To: SkyRat
The sad thing is, MANY people even here at FR will NEVER give this extremely important matter a moment of thought and will keep on jumping up and down for joy over the fact that "Dubya" is going to get EVERYTHING HE WANTS FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT 2 YEARS.

If this is any example of what he wants, we're ALL in for some seriously dangerous times ahead...

90 posted on 11/09/2002 11:28:59 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: realwoman
Oh, I thought they might use some poor "abused" women to get them off welfare.

Yeah, maybe they'll give them a scholarship to attend a university in order to earn a Bachelors in Computer Science or Electrical Engineering. Thing is though, they'd have to learn how to get along with Muslims at work, as there are MANY of them here on H1-B.

91 posted on 11/09/2002 11:31:16 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men
92 posted on 11/10/2002 12:00:26 AM PST by SkyRat
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To: FormerLurker
The sad thing is, MANY people even here at FR will NEVER give this extremely important matter a moment of thought and will keep on jumping up and down for joy over the fact that "Dubya" is going to get EVERYTHING HE WANTS FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT 2 YEARS.

I'm late to the thread, but count me among those who do give this type of intrusion very serious thought. I think the recent elections giving Republicans complete control of the government will be seen to be one more step towards a dictatorship.

When either side has such an advantage, it becomes easy for them to foist something like this onto Americans. Sadly, there are too many people out there like rs79bm who believe such a system will not be used against them eventually.

Whether a D or an R is in office, the slide towrds complete tyranny remains steady.

93 posted on 11/10/2002 12:01:03 AM PST by ActionNewsBill
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To: ActionNewsBill
Whether a D or an R is in office, the slide towrds complete tyranny remains steady.

That is a sad fact. D=R.

Think about these facts.

The democrats are for abortion and the "gay" life style. Ok, that'll go far in convincing Americans to vote for them.

The republicans are for layoffs of US workers so that they can be replaced by foreign nationals pretty much hostile to the US. That and they're for pollution of the environment and welfare for the rich.

BOTH of them are for REALLY big government and the redaction and eventual elimination of the US Constitution.

Gee, whom should we vote for?

94 posted on 11/10/2002 12:11:00 AM PST by FormerLurker
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To: ActionNewsBill
The democrats are for abortion and the "gay" life style.

Oh damn, let's call it for what it is. The democrats are all for the wholesale slaughter and murder of the most innocent amongst us, little babies that are trapped in their mother's womb. There, now that was more accurate.

95 posted on 11/10/2002 12:18:27 AM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
BTW, I checked out your "Babalon" link in post #65....I read the first chapter and it really freaked me out, dude! That's some really bizzre information, more than I can handle at one time. I'll check out the rest later.
96 posted on 11/10/2002 12:53:21 AM PST by ActionNewsBill
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To: ActionNewsBill
Things are much more weird than people would ever want to know...
97 posted on 11/10/2002 1:14:59 AM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
And I wonder how many of those working on this system will be Chinese, Pakistani, and Indian, all here in the US on H1-B visas?

H1-B are more dependable and they are not infected with quaint obsolete constitutional ideas.

98 posted on 11/10/2002 6:25:44 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: FormerLurker
The democrats are for abortion and the "gay" life style. Ok, that'll go far in convincing Americans to vote for them. The republicans are for layoffs of US workers so that they can be replaced by foreign nationals pretty much hostile to the US. That and they're for pollution of the environment and welfare for the rich.

So what is the composite outline of this bipartisan project?

Forced integration across the open borders, free abortion, homosexual training in the schools and workplace, Dickensian free market competition for the poor - welfare for the big business, military/police/prisons the main items in the budget, "free" speech constrained to the remote areas (maybe next to the casino in the Indian reservation?), final separation/exclusion of religion from public sphere, drugging of students and workers (Ritalin etc ...), global empire etc, etc ... Did I miss something?

99 posted on 11/10/2002 6:37:43 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: FormerLurker
From your profile, you appear to be a very different person than whom I see posting here on this thread. Are you the REAL FreeReign? Hey FreeReign, I see that you have the following link bookmarked.. 25 Rules of Disinformation Have been brushing up?

25 Rules of Disinformation -- "5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as "kooks", "right-wing", "liberal", "left-wing", "terrorists", "conspiracy buffs", "radicals", "militia", "racists", "religious fanatics", "sexual deviates", and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues."

You refuse to deal with what I've said -- #5 is what you do -- I keep it bookmarked for posts like yours.

The NY Times' references to what Poindexter said are poor. You don't even argue that. So we are left with the DARPA TIA slide, any dangerous specifics of which the NYTimes or you have not articulated.

From my FR homepage -- "What bothers me most, is the lack of critical thought I see throughout the country and sometimes even here at FreeRepublic."

If you don't like that I question your presentation of what you posted, then go some place else where people can read your posts and kiss your feet.

The governments imposition on our privacy is an important issue -- in fact pretty damn important. I don't completely trust our standing administration and I don't trust the enemies of the current standing administration even more.

Your presentation as stated does not lead me to conclude that the current administration is plotting to F* with our privacy.

100 posted on 11/10/2002 8:02:36 AM PST by FreeReign
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