Point me to ONE. I myself can't find any.
From the NYTimes -- Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld has been briefed on the project by Admiral Poindexter and the two had a lunch to discuss it, according to a Pentagon spokesman.
From the NYTimes -- "As part of our development process, we hope to coordinate with a variety of organizations, to include the law enforcement community," a Pentagon spokeswoman said.
From the NYTimes -- An F.B.I. official, who spoke on the condition that he not be identified, said the bureau had had preliminary discussions with the Pentagon about the project but that no final decision had been made about what information the F.B.I. might add to the system.
Anyway, the DARPA slide is a good sourced quote, so on to it...
BUT, with this idea there is NO search warrant required. And WHEN it becomes possible to utilize such a system that holds ALL of this information along, promises to the contrary be damned, they WILL use it in ANY manner they so please.
Private data that requires a warrant to access will still need a warrant to collect in a database and for searches. If you can prove differently, then you've got a story to tell
IF you are challenging the issue of the necessity of a search warrant to utilize any of the above data, where in the article it was alluded to that none would be necessary, look again..
As the director of the effort, Vice Adm. John M. Poindexter, has described the system in Pentagon documents and in speeches, it will provide intelligence analysts and law enforcement officials with instant access to information from Internet mail and calling records to credit card and banking transactions and travel documents, without a search warrant.
The above reference to what Poindexter said is not quoted. Since it is not the direct wording of Poindexter, it is the NYTimes giving their interpretation of what Poindexter said. While I don't discount it, I also don't think it as conclusive evidence.
I may be mistaken, but I believe warrants are not used now to access Internet mail through government servers. Also if I'm not mistaken, the internet was invented under DARPA(with no help from Gore) and the backbone is still not privatized.
Now the issue here is, just WHICH documents and speeches is it mentioned that Poindexter has stated this to be true. Perhaps that is where we should look.
Bingo, give me a ping if you track that down.
Also, who owns the internet backbone, the devices of which our e-mail passes??
I questioned YOUR credibility, as I've never really seen you around much and don't know you.
Oh, there are some Freepers around here who know me for holding their feet to the fire. IMO it's a good thing that I do.
Regards!
Although you are correct, there's several unnamed Pentagon sources, the blurbs that relate to them are irrelevant in relation to the accurary of this article. They are simply fluff.
Private data that requires a warrant to access will still need a warrant to collect in a database and for searches. If you can prove differently, then you've got a story to tell
Well, you do know that information that was supposed to be discarded in relation to "instant checks" by LAW IS still being held and utilized, right?
Court to Hear Gun Info Privacy Case
Now if they can violate the law there, who's to say they won't do it with the TIA system?
I may be mistaken, but I believe warrants are not used now to access Internet mail through government servers.
Refer to post 116 for info on THAT...
Also if I'm not mistaken, the internet was invented under DARPA(with no help from Gore) and the backbone is still not privatized.
Yep, BBN under DARPA developed the concepts and protocols for the Internet, which was originally named ARPANET. And of course, the government can pull a few tricks with it if and when it'd like to...
Also, who owns the internet backbone, the devices of which our e-mail passes??
Various companies, including BBN and Sprint.
Regards!
Regards back to you.