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To: stainlessbanner
One of my great-great-grandfathers fought on the Union side and one of them fought on the Confedertate side. But if you are interested here is a little history of the blacks who fought for the Confederacy here it is. Black Confederate military units, both as freemen and slaves, fought federal troops. Louisiana free blacks gave their reason for fighting in a letter written to New Orleans' Daily Delta: "The free colored population love their home, their property, their own slaves and recognize no other country than Louisiana, and are ready to shed their blood for her defense. They have no sympathy for Abolitionism; no love for the North, but they have plenty for Louisiana. They will fight for her in 1861 as they fought in 1814-15." As to bravery, one black scolded the commanding general of the state militia, saying, "Pardon me, general, but the only cowardly blood we have got in our veins is the white blood."
Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest had slaves and freemen serving in units under his command. After the war, Forrest said of the black men who served under him, "These boys stayed with me.. - and better Confederates did not live." Articles in "Black Southerners in Gray," edited by Richard Rollins, gives numerous accounts of blacks serving as fighting men or servants in every battle from Gettysburg to Vicksburg.
Professor Ed Smith, director of American Studies at American University, says Stonewall Jackson had 3,000 fully equipped black troops scattered throughout his corps at Antietam - the war's bloodiest battle. Mr. Smith calculates that between 60,000 and 93,000 blacks served the Confederacy in some capacity. They fought for the same reason they fought in previous wars and wars afterward:" to position themselves. They had to prove they were patriots in the hope the future would be better ... they hoped to be rewarded.
Many knew Lincoln had little love for enslaved blacks and didn't wage war against the South for their benefit. Lincoln made that plain, saying, "I will say, then, that I am not, nor have ever been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races ... I am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." The very words of his 1863 Emancipation Proclamation revealed his deceit and cunning; it freed those slaves held "within any State or designated part of a State the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States." It didn't apply to slaves in West Virginia and areas and states not in rebellion. Like Gen. Ulysses Grant's slaves, they had to wait for the 13th Amendment, Grant explained why he didn't free his slaves earlier, saying, "Good help is so hard to come by these days."
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8 posted on 11/09/2002 6:30:20 PM PST by kellynla
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To: mhking
I wish much success to the African-American marcher for symbols of the South's desired independence from Washington D.C.'s tax-subsidized oppressive bureaucracy. Meanwhile, what's below is not surprising, but unfortunately so few people know this...


>>>Many knew Lincoln had little love for enslaved blacks and didn't wage war against the South for their benefit. Lincoln made that plain, saying, "I will say, then, that I am not, nor have ever been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races ... I am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." The very words of his 1863 Emancipation Proclamation revealed his deceit and cunning; it freed those slaves held "within any State or designated part of a State the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States." It didn't apply to slaves in West Virginia and areas and states not in rebellion. Like Gen. Ulysses Grant's slaves, they had to wait for the 13th Amendment, Grant explained why he didn't free his slaves earlier, saying, "Good help is so hard to come by these days." <<<
10 posted on 11/09/2002 7:16:40 PM PST by End The Hypocrisy
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To: kellynla
This part is blatantly false:

"The very words of his 1863 Emancipation Proclamation revealed his deceit and cunning; it freed those slaves held "within any State or designated part of a State the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States." It didn't apply to slaves in West Virginia and areas and states not in rebellion. Like Gen. Ulysses Grant's slaves, they had to wait for the 13th Amendment, Grant explained why he didn't free his slaves earlier, saying, "Good help is so hard to come by these days."

Anyone with a little reading of Lincoln's statements on this matter would know that the political situation during the war directed his public statements and actions on this matter.
14 posted on 11/09/2002 8:20:22 PM PST by TheDon
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To: kellynla
Like Gen. Ulysses Grant's slaves, they had to wait for the 13th Amendment, Grant explained why he didn't free his slaves earlier, saying, "Good help is so hard to come by these days."

That part is complete BS. Grant freed the only slave he ever owned in 1859. His wife's family freed theirs in 1863. Lee waited until almost 1863 to free his.

They had to prove they were patriots in the hope the future would be better ... they hoped to be rewarded.

And their reward from their white southern comrades were Black Codes that returned them to semi-slavery after the war and Jim Crow laws after reconstruction. Y'all really know how to show your appreciation, don't you?

17 posted on 11/11/2002 3:42:38 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: kellynla
Are we supposed to admire the blacks who fought for the Confederacy because they wanted the right to own their own slaves? This seems pretty ludicrous to me. This is not patriotism, and only shows that blacks are just as willing to exploit other blacks as are white people.
19 posted on 11/17/2002 8:40:33 PM PST by PARodrig
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