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This column has so many logical fallacies I don't know where to begin.
1 posted on 11/10/2002 8:14:50 AM PST by zapiks44
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EU is prounounced = "EEEeeeeewwwww"
28 posted on 11/10/2002 10:14:28 AM PST by ChadGore
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The UK should not join the EU. If they must be joiners, they should seek admission to the US as several states. Before any of you go off on me with comments like "What do we need 70 million more Socialists for?" consider that they have a liberal media - extremely so - just like we do and our perceptions of them are tinted by that. There is a pretty significant conservative segment of the population. Remember Margaret Thatcher? The conservatives might still be in power in the UK if it weren't for the Majors debacle. If only they had a free press. Sigh.
29 posted on 11/10/2002 10:20:55 AM PST by calenel
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Written by a prime-time Brit Clymer.
30 posted on 11/10/2002 10:21:37 AM PST by pankot
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Behold, the modern Useful Idiot.
31 posted on 11/10/2002 10:33:03 AM PST by MitchellC
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in typical fashion the dems will overreact to their looses and pelosi, daschle and hillary will lead the dems to an even greater defeat in 2004...
32 posted on 11/10/2002 10:42:58 AM PST by Bill Davis FR
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From the story: When the electorate voted locally, the Democrats had the edge

Bzzzzzzzzz wrong (see numbers 1 through 5). I know that little terry, in a futile effort to keep his job, is trying to spin the 4 govnerships as a mandate for their message, but the numbers do NOT back him up. Let's review, shall we?

1) The democrat party doesn't have the White House.(1R-0d)

This isn't news to anyone. With the possible exception of Colin Powell, there aren't any democrats in the whitehouse.

2) The democrat party lacks a majority in the Senate.(53R-47d)

Again, this isn't news to anyone.

3) The democrat party lacks a majority in the House of Representatives.(226R-209d)

Once again, no news here. everyone is aware of this 17 seat margin.

4) The democrat party lacks a majority of Governors seats across the 50 states.(25R-25d)

This part IS news, and it is being ignored by the mainstream press. democrats do not enjoy the majority of Governorships across these 50 states. These seats are very valuable for appointing senators in events of absenteeism, and Gov. Ventura(I) demonstrated this very well after his discust at the 'rally on a dead guy'. The democrat party doesn't have most of these.

5) The democrat party lacks a majority of State Houses across all 50 states. (25R-22d)

This part IS news and is also being ignored by the mainstream press. As demonstrated by the redistricting in 2001, these state houses not only draw lines in house and congressional districts, but also set laws that effect peoples lives in a very local way. The democrat party doesn't have most of these either.

I am in no way dissmissing the partys future, but the larger question is "Is it history?" I would say No, it's not historic.

When was the last GOP tri-fecta ?

When was the last time the people put the GOP in control of the House, Senate and Whitehouse ??

The year was 2000.

33 posted on 11/10/2002 10:53:53 AM PST by ChadGore
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The title of the article listed above is,

"A Dark Day for Democracy."

And thank God that it was.

The founding fathers were terrified of "democracy."

They knew full well, in a democracy, there are no individual rights. Majority rules and that is a recipe for tyranny of the majority and no individual rights.

That is why they created a "republic."

A sampling of their thoughts:

And on June 21, 1788, Alexander Hamilton made a speech in which he stated: "It had been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience had proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity."

At another time Hamilton said: “We are a Republican Government. Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of Democracy.”

And Samuel Adams warned: “Remember, Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself! There never was a democracy that ‘did not commit suicide.’”

James Madison, one of, the members of the Convention who was charged with drawing up our Constitution, wrote as follows: “...democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.”

34 posted on 11/10/2002 10:56:18 AM PST by tahiti
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Well, I guess he told us a thing or two, by golly. LOL!

While it is clear that this poor lout is abysmally ignorant of America, it is also clear that he will be sadly disappointed by the coming term.

Conditioned by the excess jubilation of both clinton and Gingrich in the past, he expects the Bush administration to do a running dive headfirst into the shallow end of the swimming pool, come January. Obviously he gets his expertise on the Republican party from CNN and similar august sources.

Ain't gonna happen. President Bush, a man of true humility and responsibility, is the last person who would succumb to "overreaching." That is an impairment of judgment far more suited to rabid leftwing crackpots, both among the demo-pols and in the media, letting their fear of GW pervert their vision of reality.
35 posted on 11/10/2002 10:57:52 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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There is a wrong way to vote but we didn't do it.
39 posted on 11/10/2002 1:11:02 PM PST by weikel
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First of all, the easiest way to see the "mood" of the country is to look at what happened in state legislatures and other "down ticket" votes. Few people know the name of their local state representative or the auditor of the state: these votes are almost always votes for or against a certain PARTY.

Governors and Senators get lots of media attention, and can go against their party, and explain why conservative Oklahoma and Wyoming elected Democrat governors while liberal Maryland, Massachusetts and Rhode Island elected Republicans.

But look at state houses: Republicans almost consistently gained seats. The notable exception is Illinois, where the Republican party was so nuts anyway that they deserve to be in the wilderness for a while. Republicans gained seats in the Pennsylvania state legislature while losing the governor. Republicans gained seats in Wisconsin while losing the Governor as well.

40 posted on 11/10/2002 1:18:30 PM PST by Koblenz
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Anyone who thinks the Tory party is 'nasty' has not encountered contemporary American republicanism. Georgia's Republican Party, for example, is now lead by Ralph Reed, a long-time crusader against abortion, divorce and single parent families.

Wow. Yeah, that's really nasty alright. Wanting people to stay married and have and raise children together. How sick. How insidious. What barbarism. Next they'll be wanting to keep what they earn and give their money only to the charities of their choice. Oh, the humanity.

42 posted on 11/10/2002 1:36:12 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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This column has so many logical fallacies I don't know where to begin.

He is probably just another Barbara Streisand moron-groupie. Babs is so dopey, she can't even "misunderestimate" President Bush.

45 posted on 11/10/2002 2:13:34 PM PST by Cobra64
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America is not a happy place.

We are positively giddy!!!!!

46 posted on 11/10/2002 2:17:24 PM PST by gitmo
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This may have been posted but in the event anyone wanted to tell Mr. Hutton what they thought of his column here is his e-mail address: will.hutton@observer.co.uk.
49 posted on 11/10/2002 7:44:55 PM PST by RichardW
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Bump!
50 posted on 11/10/2002 8:26:58 PM PST by Mr. Silverback
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The author's ignorance of America's diversity west of the Atlantic seaboard is showing.

Cleland was NEVER called "unpatriotic". His VOTES against homeland security, etc. showed that he was WEAK on CURRENT NATIONAL DEFENSE ISSUES. He was also OUTDEBATED by his challenger.

Missouri is NOT a DEMOCRATIC STRONGHOLD. Wonder if this jerk ever heard of a guy named DANFORTH, BOND, or ASHCROFT (who, as a sidenote, lead his senate challenger Mel Carnahan by 18 points the day Mel died on the way to a Gay-Lesbian fundraiser).

America is a HAPPY PLACE. I, for one, AM THRILLED with Tuesday's results.

The "silent liberal majority" is that which is the "horse----" to which he refers. There is no such thing. It is a vocal, whiny liberal minority and 52-47 proves it.

The chances of Europe being hit with the same terrorism that struck the US are great. Some parts of Europe consist of 30% Islamic-immigrant population. There is tremendous prejudice in UK (except London) because of immigration; and this prejudice is particularly strong against those immigrants with darker skin (FR archives has such stories). Nationalized health care is a frightening disaster in UK. Socialism has broken down the family structure and has become an unbearable burden for even Atlas to bear. As long as you are rich, things are great because their middle-class is much thinner than ours and the split between have's and have-not's is greater. Education stinks because so many can leave at 16--and do, with no employable skills, except how to frequent a pub, nightclub, or follow a soccer club with the religious fervor usually saved for church (which no one attends [less than 18%]).

In spite of his European distain for our backward ways, he should remember that "sophistication" and "sophistry" share the same root word.

57 posted on 11/11/2002 11:10:04 AM PST by MHT
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Okay. So yet another frustrated class warrior from across the pond thinks his opinion matters. Whooptie-dooodley-do.
60 posted on 11/12/2002 11:53:06 AM PST by MadJack
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Reed played every card he could. If the governorship was to be won celebrating the Confederacy, the race for the Senate seat would be no less shameless. The Democrat incumbent had lost three limbs fighting in Vietnam, but was attacked for being unpatriotic - the worst accusation in today's US - because he believed that unions should be able to recruit in the newly established Department of Homeland Security.

I read a very interesting interview with Ralph Reed where he said one of the main reasons, ignored by the press, that Chambliss won was that his opponent voted against letting the boy scouts in public schools because they do not accept homosexual scoutmasters.

Reed played this up big, and if this man was foolish enough to vote for that in conservative GA I can easily see how he lost.

61 posted on 11/12/2002 11:53:31 AM PST by I still care
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He would regard last week's vote in the House of Lords allowing unmarried and gay couples to adopt as the work of Satan. He is part of US conservatism's ideological hard core.

While I do not regard it as likely that Satan is controlling the House of Lords, I do feel constrained to observe that it was the Barons to whom the English speaking world looked at one time--under Magna Carta--to defend liberty and civilization against wayword Government. They sure have fallen from that in Socialist Britain. But allowing perverts to adopt is surely reaching for a new low. May God Help the British people!

The writer of this anti-American piece is a dysron, who has never bothered to analyze any of the long skein of unsupportable assumptions that he offers for an argument. Pretty poor material, intellectually!

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

62 posted on 11/12/2002 3:29:15 PM PST by Ohioan
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