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To: Mitchell; keri
I thought you might be interested in my post #39
since it bears on the origin of the Indo-European languages
which I mentioned to you some time ago.

My belief
(not my theory, since many others proposed it before me)
is that these languages originated in present day Turkey
more particularly, in the Anatolian plain.

The archaeological site
Catal Huyuk
(umlauts over the U's and a cedilla under the C)
("Fork Mound" in Turkish)
is the oldest in Turkey
and probably one of the oldest cities in the world
dating back at least 8000 years.

I believe it was the source of the Indo-European languages.
The swastika is one little piece of evidence for this theory.
(By the way, I never have seen this ornament mentioned anywhere
in any of the articles, or polemics, about the origins of IE.)

The Hittites who are the earliest known Indo-Europeans
and inhabited Anatolia about 1800 BC
also used the swastika in their art.
For example,
in the stunningly beautiful bas-relief engraved on a bare rock face
near the tiny village of Ivriz
(not far from Catal Huyuk and very rarely visited by tourists.)

I also agree with those who say
there never was any 'Aryan invasion' of India
but rather a gradual migration of farmers
who moved steadily across the plains over the centuries
in search of new land.
41 posted on 11/16/2002 12:01:04 AM PST by Nogbad
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To: blam
Ping
42 posted on 11/16/2002 12:05:05 AM PST by Nogbad
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To: Nogbad
Thank you for the ping to this interesting thread.

On the idea that the early Indo-Europeans lived in what is now Turkey: Based on which words are found in cognate form across all the Indo-European languages, and which words are not, I understand that one can analyze which animals and plants the original speakers of Indo-European were familiar with. I've read that this places the early Indo-Europeans further north (around Poland maybe?) and far from the sea. But I certainly don't have the linguistics knowledge necessary to judge this (nor the biology); maybe it's all wrong.

43 posted on 11/16/2002 12:14:54 AM PST by Mitchell
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To: aristeides
Ping to #41 and #39.
44 posted on 11/16/2002 12:23:57 AM PST by Nogbad
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To: Nogbad
"My belief (not my theory, since many others proposed it before me) is that these languages originated in present day Turkey more particularly, in the Anatolian plain."

I've read linguistic studies that support that idea.

In the book Noah's Flood by Ryan & Pittman, they propose that the roots of the IE languages (and farming) were spread from the Black Sea region all across Europe, etc by the refugees of that flood in 5,600BC.

48 posted on 11/16/2002 6:05:45 AM PST by blam
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