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Grandma Doesn't Scare Anymore: Voters weigh in on Social Security, and reform wins again.
Wall St Journal ^ | November 12, 2002

Posted on 11/12/2002 4:54:41 AM PST by SJackson

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:47:28 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Soon to be former House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt was prescient about one thing this election year: In September he predicted that last week's results would be "a referendum on Social Security." It was, and the reformers won.

For the second straight election. Running on personal retirement accounts didn't hurt George W. Bush in 2000, and this year it didn't hurt those stalwart Congressional candidates willing to campaign on the idea despite economic anxiety and corporate scandals. Maybe it's time for Democrats to realize they aren't going to win back their majorities by recycling their scare-Grandma campaigns from 1964. That's what they and their labor allies tried this year, to little avail.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: socialsecurity

1 posted on 11/12/2002 4:54:41 AM PST by SJackson
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2 posted on 11/12/2002 6:23:48 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson; JohnHuang2
Here's my idea on Social Security policy for President Bush.

Bill to Guarantee Social Security for Anyone Who Currently Receives Social Security Now or is within Ten Years of Eligibility With Benefits At Current Promised Levels

The purposes of this bill are:

1) it clearly acknowledges that the US government has an obligation to provide current and almost retirees with the benefits that have been “promised”. We guarantee that we will make good on that obligation. Since we have no intention of ever taking these benefits anyway, WHY NOT MAKE IT A LAW?

2) Politically- it takes this scare-tactic away from Democratic campaigns—they can no longer scare old people every election that a vote for GOP threatens to take away their monthly check. THEIR CHECKS ARE GUARANTEED.

3) It allows Bush to open the needed dialog on Soc Sec Reform for younger and middle-aged people, without the usual charges that the Republicans are trying to starve old people and gut Soc Security. THIS WILL SIMPLIFY NEEDED REFORM.

President Bush should immediately push for this or similar bill to be passed by Congress. This bill is very simple.

It should be presented as “This is the first step in a comprehensive review of Social Security that will guarantee that the system will not be changed in a way that will hurt people already on the current system, or those who are close to being eligible.”

What do you FReepers think about this idea?

RobFromGa

3 posted on 11/12/2002 6:42:04 AM PST by RobFromGa
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To: SJackson
Maybe it's time for Democrats to realize they aren't going to win back their majorities by recycling their scare-Grandma campaigns from 1964.

Make that 1994.

Social Security is the biggest scam. They are no help to the woman who stays home to care for her children. How would you like it to get your statement only to be told you're 4 credits short of being able to qualify for SS benefits? How long do I have to work now to earn those credits?

If I'd had the money in a private account earning interest from the time I started working, I could retire now just on the money they collected from me and refuse to give back!

4 posted on 11/12/2002 7:14:31 AM PST by pray4liberty
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To: PARodrig
ping
5 posted on 11/12/2002 7:19:51 AM PST by Cacique
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To: pray4liberty
If I'd had the money in a private account earning interest from the time I started working, I could retire now just on the money they collected from me and refuse to give back!

Bingo.

When I'm forced to retire in 2015, I'll receive a whopping $534.18 a month. I get sick to my stomach when I ballpark how much dough I'd be rolling in if all my "contributions" (love that word) went into private investment.

Wanna see how much you'll get from this socialist Ponzi scheme when you retire?? Click here...


6 posted on 11/12/2002 7:23:50 AM PST by Fintan
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To: RobFromGa
Here's my idea on Social Security policy for President Bush…Bill to Guarantee Social Security for Anyone Who Currently Receives Social Security Now or is within Ten Years of Eligibility With Benefits At Current Promised Levels

It’s vital that be part of a comprehensive plan, and probably more than ten years protection. However as an independent step, it gives the Dems a substantial chunk of the population to scare.

I think it’s an issue GWB can address if he does it is a substantial, comprehensive way, stressing private accounts as a component of Social Security, along with a guaranteed (lower) payment for younger workers.

7 posted on 11/12/2002 7:26:02 AM PST by SJackson
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To: RobFromGa
Good idea
8 posted on 11/12/2002 7:31:51 AM PST by Travelgirl
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To: All
My neighbor's 95 year old mother has been in a nursing home in Oregon for many years, and lives in her own little world. She has not voted in many years, and is not able to. She received a large package from the DNC and Terry McAuliffe the week before the election with all the social security scare tactics in it...abet with pictures. McAuliffe's name was all over the material. The old scare templet was used big by this party of deceit, the DNC. My friend was so furious she packed it all up and sent it to the GOP representive, Senator Gordon Smith. I hope he makes use of it. This is one good reason why the DNC went down and will in the future.
9 posted on 11/12/2002 7:44:10 AM PST by cousair
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10 posted on 11/12/2002 10:43:09 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: Fintan
As it stands right now, I'll get ZIP, zero, nada! I don't even qualify for any benefits, irregardless of all the money I put in. I'm 4 credits short. I have no choice but to go back to work if I want to get any of it back. That's not to say I wasn't planning on going back to work, but to be forced to? If I drop dead tomorrow, what I already put in to SS will be a free gift to the U.S. government.

Ain't Big Government grand?

11 posted on 11/12/2002 4:07:51 PM PST by pray4liberty
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To: RobFromGa
What do you FReepers think about this idea?

Sounds like a plan to me, Rob. Excellent.

12 posted on 11/13/2002 1:17:04 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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