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To: Draakan
Most Americans think that the Second Amendment of the Constitution provides individual citizens the right to have guns.

They are right - it is clearly spelled out in the constitution as an INDIVIDUAL right. The Bill Of Rights are all INDIVIDUAL rights, not the rights of states.

However, some very independent and liberal scholars have reexamined the debate, which has really been an academic non-issue for a century, and came out on the individual rights side.

See, I told you so. Even 'liberal scholars' have to agree when they are forced to think rationally instead of emotionally. Think INDIVIDUAL BILL OF RIGHTS Dickie. Think, its not that hard.

So the time for pussy footing around is over. It's time to repeal the Second Amendment. Bag it.

Thanks for the ruling, Mr. 'god' Myer, but why don't you stuff it.

What the founders intended is unknowable.

BS

Start by reading the Federalist Papers, writings of Thos. Jefferson, James Madison, et. al. It's pretty clear if you have any kind of reading comprehension.

So, let's take ten paces and draw.

No need for that. The constitution and declaration of independence clearly spells out my inalienable rights as a human and an American citizen. Your only recorse is a constitutional convention. Try it and see how far it gets. These liberal maroons just dont give up.

20 posted on 11/13/2002 4:25:29 PM PST by GaltMeister
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To: GaltMeister
The Second Amendment is the keystone of the Constitution. It is the most important right to us. It guarantees all of the others. It is to us what the First of the Fifth is to you. We have been backed into a corner by your side, and that is always dangerous to do. By never once considering, much less acknowledging, the validity of our views, you have waged a war on our liberty that has forced us to consider an option that none of us would have thought possible just 5 years ago.

Just as no Black man would ever go back to segregation, just as no American would give up freedom of speech, that just as none of us would stand by and let the government herd the Jews to another holocaust, so will we never, ever give in on the Second. We are at fault for never making this clear to you. While you may think this is something of little importance, it is the one issue that can, and will, lead to a revolution in this country. Not one other issue on the political scene has the power to do this.

I do not want war, I do not want to kill anyone; I simply want to be left alone to live my life as a free American. However, I know my duty to my ancestors, who fought at Bunker Hill, to my children, who are counting on me to preserve their liberty until it is their turn, and to every American who values our liberty today, and if you persist in attacking a basic human right, you can, and should, expect us to fight back.

You will inevitably respond that "You can't really expect to stand up to the army or the police." I will give you this example: Last year, about 20,000,000 Americans bought some type of hunting license. Toss out half of them as duplicates, kids, guys who enjoy the field but don't care if they shoot or not, and the like. That leaves 10,000,000. Assume just 10% are deadly serious about this. That leaves one million, well armed, skilled Americans who are not going to sit back while the you take our freedom. Imagine a guerrilla war with one million Americans doing nothing more than resisting an assault on their basic rights? It would be unwinnable without the imposition of a total police sate, and that is something even the anti gunners should fear.

Even one hundred thousand Americans, willing to pay the price and to fight back, would be enough to make this a reality. Selectively fighting back against those who take your liberty makes a lot more sense that blowing up innocent Americans. Targeting those who would enslave you makes them personally liable for their actions against us. Remember, they will paint us as terrorists, but in this case, we are doing nothing more than resisting the kind of tyranny that would have long ago prompted our ancestors to act. The issue here is whether we really have that resolve. I believe we do, but we have never made that clear to your side.

I have no problem with anyone exercising their First Amendment right to speak against gun ownership, to lobby for passive acquiescence to crime or tyranny just so long as they never, ever attempt to make their personal views into laws that affect the rest of us. So, as the first Texan said, until the other side begins to fear that their actions will bear serious personal consequences to them, they are unlikely to change. Until the other side really believes that we are serious, and capable of action to defend our liberties, don't count on any work we do within the system to have any real hope of changing the situation.
21 posted on 11/13/2002 4:49:19 PM PST by RipMeyer
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