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1 posted on 11/13/2002 6:12:44 PM PST by Dubya
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I am heartily in agreement with the author. For the past 400 years or so Islam has occasionally been pushed back from the periphery, as in the Reconquista, Serbian and Greek independence, the destruction of the Mughal Empire and the independence of Israel. We need to score a brutal, direct and massive rollback of Islam in the Arab world.
2 posted on 11/13/2002 6:36:24 PM PST by Ukiapah Heep
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To: Dubya
"If you want to make a buck now, attack Islam," Hooper said. "When it is done to Christianity or Judaism, people in authority object. When it is done to Islam, it gets a pass," he added.

Only from GWB and the rest of the white house, and CNNABCNBCMSNBC, et al...

3 posted on 11/13/2002 6:50:13 PM PST by RaceBannon
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>>"Muslims occasionally do bad things, so do Jews, so do Christians, so do Hindus, so do Martians,"

Hooper is wonderful sometimes.
4 posted on 11/13/2002 6:56:59 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: Dubya
I don't know ANYBODY that would trust a Muslim any further than he'd trust a warm pit viper.

Bush is no exception. He's just trying to keep us from dragging them out of their houses by their hair.

I'm not sure it will work.

Muslims are one more 9/11 away from wholesale slaughter.
5 posted on 11/13/2002 6:57:13 PM PST by mercy
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Spencer believes the U.S. is not prepared to fight a war on terrorism because the nation fails to understand the true nature of Islam.

I have been saying this all along, Im glad that someone finally gets it.

Sorry to bust everyone's bubble, but the United States CANNOT ever win the "War on Terrorism" until they understand the TRUE nature of Islam.

12 posted on 11/13/2002 7:13:17 PM PST by expatguy
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"In order to fight what he sees as a growing Islamic threat, Spencer proposes that the U.S. impose strict immigration limits on Muslims entering the U.S.

"Why were 50,000 Muslim men admitted to the country from Muslim countries since September 11?" he asked. When are we going to start being sane about immigration law?"

When, when WHEN? Is this a true number? 50,000 men, MEN? If so, we may as well throng like lemmings to the sea and throw ourselves in! We have got to end this. Even if we still want to admit large numbers of Mexican gardeners we've got to stop this influx of Muslims. All you have to do is look at some of the rhetoric coming out of the Mosques in Europe, and some maybe even here. There are MANY, MANY muslims, most of whom would probably never kill anybody, who strive to "Take over the WORLD!" just like Hitler, just like Stalin, just like the Brain (genius mouse).

Forget 9/11 (not that we can, but just for a moment, forget it, pretend it never happened, for the sake of argument, I mean no disrespect)look at Nigeria, look at Indonesia, look at the Phillipines, look at India, look at Pakistan, LOOK AT BALI!!!

The Muslim world HAS declared WAR (to the death) on the WEST, and not just the West. On Christians, Jews, and other non-Muslims ACROSS THE GLOBE. We all underestimate this threat at our true peril; we need to grasp the commonality of our enemy.

I too have come to conclude that the President is just speaking to prevent mass vigilante action against Muslims. But I would also like to see our Federal Government take the steps to prevent the necessity of that in the future. I'm very afraid the window of opportunity for doing so may be lost. The very idea that one (1) Saudi Arabian, etc. male or female for that matter has been legally admitted to the US in the past year really frightens me. I really don't care if every one who came in is a saint. I don't think that German Nationals were flowing in circa 1936 and I don't think any Muslims should be flowing in now.

We ARE at war with Islam, with whatever parts of Islam, or Islamic individuals are at war with us.

AND WE WILL CRUSH THEM!!!


16 posted on 11/13/2002 7:41:24 PM PST by jocon307
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19 posted on 11/13/2002 7:52:03 PM PST by VOA
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To: Dubya
"Why were 50,000 Muslim men admitted to the country from Muslim countries since September 11?" he asked.

Does anyone know, is this a real number? Does anyone have a source or a link?

Thanks in advance.

22 posted on 11/13/2002 9:09:51 PM PST by marron
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To: Dubya
Spencer is of course correct. But that won't stop those who want to call him a racist.
25 posted on 11/13/2002 10:35:27 PM PST by Michael2001
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26 posted on 11/13/2002 10:38:02 PM PST by nutmeg
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bump!
27 posted on 11/13/2002 10:59:36 PM PST by happygrl
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The central problem is inherent in Islam itself -- there is no separation of church and state and there can be no such separation according to the Koran. Alexis De Tocqueville wrote in the 1830's about the influence of religion on American politics and culture in "Democracy in America" and as a counter example he pointed out why Islam could not be reconciled to democracy.

Mahommed professed to derive from Heaven, and he has inserted in the Koran, not only a body of religious doctrines, but political maxims, civil and criminal laws, and theories of science. The Gospel, on the contrary, only speaks of the general relations of men to God and to each other, -- beyond which it inculcates and imposes no point of faith. This alone, besides a thousand other reasons, would suffice to prove that the former of these religions will never long predominate in a cultivated and democratic age, whilst the latter is destined to retain its sway at these as at all other periods.

In our politically correct, multicultural rush to be tolerant of all religions, we are stumbling on the central irreconcilable conflict between Islam and Western civilization -- Islam is a political agenda as well as a religion and the example of its founder and its sacred book justify holy war to impose religious rule against unbelievers. There is no getting around this fact. This is the answer to all the pundits questions about why political and individual freedom is virtually absent from the Islamic world and why democracy makes little progress there. All religions are not equal -- they differ greatly, in De Tocqueville's words, " in the nature of the belief they inculcate, on the external forms they assume, and on the obligations they impose."

However tolerant we wish to appear, September 11th should have made it clear to everyone the lengths that Islamic jihadists will go to in order to impose their religio-political views on the world. It does no good for our leaders to pretend that this central conflict does not exist or that there is some "true" Islam out there that has been hijacked. Osama Bin Laden's Islam is as legitimate in their own tradition as is Turkeys brand of "moderate" Islam. Islam is moderate in Turkey only because the government has imposed strict restrictions on religious practice and there is a constant struggle against Islamic fundamentalism even there.

The West coexisted peacefully with Islam in the past only because Islamic countries were isolated, poor and powerless. Now that oil wealth has funded Islamic extremism all over the world and open borders policies have allowed large numbers of Islamic people to settle in the West, I fear that we can co-exist only to the extent that Islam's adherents reject that part of their own tradition and religious doctrines that advocate jihad and religious totalitarianism (merging of state and religion) and accept Western notions of political, religious and individual freedom.

This means the West must defend its own tradition of freedom and must require its Islamic citizens to accept and observe our own political creed of separation of church and state and constitutional principles. When public opinion polls show Muslim immigrants would vote for and impose religious law on America we know that we have lost this battle. Mumbling about Islam as a "religion of peace" and the refusal of political and media elites to publicly confront and expose the growing number of Islamic political activists whose preachings and teachings exhibit a betrayal of American political values will not get us there. That just convinces Muslims all over the world that our belief in our own principles is not strong enough to withstand jihad. All nations of the Western tradition -- if they value their own traditions of political and religious freedom -- must attack and discredit what has been called Islamo-fascism with as much passion as we attacked Communism and Nazism. We must go after the ideas, including the so-called "religious" ones, that justify holy war as well as going after the terrorists who implement the ideas.

Political correctness now stands in the way of this effort to defend Western political values as well as our very lives. When American political leaders and the media attempt to prevent any public discussion and criticism of Islamic doctrines by telling us at the outset that Islam is a "religion of peace" and the only problem is the amorphous, disconnected "terrorists;" when they imply that all those who point out problems with Islamic doctrine are "bigots" and cannot be trusted to refrain from mob violence; and when they try to spin the facts of real events to downplay the role of Islamic motivations then they stand in the way of our own defense and they obstruct the process of discrediting the religious ideas and beliefs that give rise to this very same "terrorism."

Amazingly, political correctness amounts to the adoption by American political and media eliltes of the Islamic "fatwa" system of suppressing free thought and inquiry -- thou shalt not think or speak such! It is an outright rejection of our Western tradition of encouraging free debate and discussion of all topics, religious and political. And, of course, we impose no such politically correct "fatwas" against the criticism of our own Christian or Jewish traditions. That is how we as citizens go about self-government, through public deliberation and discussion. It is what makes and keeps us a free people. To the extent that our political leaders believe that we cannot be trusted with the truth, much less with the responsibility of debating this issue in a civilized manner, then they have rejected the core of the American experiment -- self-government. Political correctness is a craven capitulation to totalitarianism and is as much if not more of a danger to our freedom as that posed by Islamo-fascism.

30 posted on 11/14/2002 8:07:19 AM PST by politeia
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The thing is that the terrorist groups are not Islamic. They claim to be Islamic, but they are operating under cover of Islam and are not God-fearing people, or Allah-fearing, whatever.
34 posted on 11/14/2002 9:37:57 AM PST by RightWhale
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