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Bush Takes on Christian Right Over Anti-Islam Words
ABC News ^ | November 13, 2002 | By Randall Mikkelsen

Posted on 11/14/2002 5:36:24 AM PST by Damocles


Bush Takes on Christian Right Over Anti-Islam Words
Nov. 13

— By Randall Mikkelsen

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush on Wednesday took on the Christian right core of his political base, denouncing anti-Islamic remarks made by religious leaders including evangelist Pat Robertson.

Bush said such anti-Islamic comments were at odds with the views of most Americans.

"Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans," Bush told reporters as he began a meeting with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan.

"By far, the vast majority of American citizens respect the Islamic people and the Muslim faith. After all, there are millions of peaceful-loving Muslim Americans," Bush said.

"Ours is a country based upon tolerance ... And we're not going to let the war on terror or terrorists cause us to change our values."

Bush did not identify conservative Christian leaders as his target, (but we'll say he did in our title) but White House officials said he was prompted by the anti-Islamic remarks of some of them, particularly religious broadcaster Pat Robertson, who reportedly said this week Muslims were "worse than the Nazis."

"He (Bush) wanted a clear statement," a senior White House official said.

Spokeswoman Angell Watts of Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network said she had no immediate comment.

A representative of a Muslim-American civil rights group, which had stepped up calls for Bush to repudiate such remarks, welcomed Bush's words.

"Obviously, we'd like to hear him repudiate these people by name, but we appreciate that he's moving in that direction," said Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).

"It's encouraging to see that the president is finally addressing the issue of Islamophobia in America by addressing a specific attacks on Islam. This is a new stance, and it's one that we would encourage and support," Hooper said.

BID TO DISCOURAGE BACKLASH

Bush's efforts to discourage a backlash over the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, which were blamed on Islamic militant Osama bin Laden, have come increasingly into conflict with antipathy to Islam shown by some conservative Christians, a core of his support.

Robertson, a popular conservative commentator who sought the Republican presidential nomination in 1988, was criticized by CAIR and the American Jewish Committee for reportedly saying on his network Monday, "Adolf Hitler was bad, but what the Muslims want to do to the Jews is worse."

Jerry Falwell, a Baptist minister and leading voice of the Christian right, in an October television interview described the prophet Mohammad as a "terrorist."

Evangelist Franklin Graham, who gave the sermon at Bush's inaugural service in 2001, has also been criticized for comments on Islam. Asked about Bush's comments on Wednesday, Graham spokesman Mark DeMoss said Graham was traveling abroad.

"He has not added to any comment he's made on the subject in months, because he's getting tired of getting asked about it, and any time he answers about it he gives the impression he's crusading on this issue and he's not," DeMoss said.



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Pretty misleading title. Bush did not single out the "Christian Right", but hey, that sells.
1 posted on 11/14/2002 5:36:24 AM PST by Damocles
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To: Damocles
W. continues Leadership from the top down. While I agree with many Christian leaders that Islam is a gutter religion bent on violence and world dominance, I do not believe that should be the official policy of the United States...a nation founded on religious freedom.
2 posted on 11/14/2002 5:40:59 AM PST by copycat
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To: Damocles
The vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists and to paint them all with a broad brush is irresponsible. I agree with Bush on this one.

That being said, those who are not terrorists should rise up with fervor and denounce loudly and repeatedly the terrorist actions that bring shame to them all.

Especially vociferous in denunciation should be all Muslim clerics. It does no good to Islam when even clerics are alleged to have been involved in terrorist murders--such as those in Bali.

3 posted on 11/14/2002 5:42:44 AM PST by randita
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To: copycat
Excellent points.
4 posted on 11/14/2002 5:43:07 AM PST by rintense
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To: Damocles
Yeah, I noticed that yesterday. By adding the words "Christian Right" the news media can get quick attention from the flaming liberals.

On the other hand, I would like to see Pat Robertson bite his tongue a little more often. He does make some stupid remarks, and I'm not just referring to Muslims. He is an embarrassment to the Conservative Christian, and has been proven to be hypocritical with his "business ventures".

5 posted on 11/14/2002 5:48:22 AM PST by TommyDale
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To: copycat
W. continues Leadership from the top down.

Unquestionably. The question is, where is this particular direction leading us? Specifically, is President Bush correct in his assessment or is he merely being politically correct for the sake of a media and an opposition party which seeks any opportunity, real or imagined, to dispute his leadership?

While I agree with many Christian leaders that Islam is a gutter religion bent on violence and world dominance, I do not believe that should be the official policy of the United States...a nation founded on religious freedom.

I don't see this as an "official policy" issue, but merely the words of some Christian leaders vs. the words of the President of the US. Like you, I have concerns about Islam. I just wonder whether it was necessary for the President to say anything at all.

6 posted on 11/14/2002 5:49:50 AM PST by h.a. cherev
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To: Damocles
"Bush said such anti-Islamic comments were at odds with the views of most Americans"

Sorry, I can't take the word of a man that claims he knows or understands the "views" of most Americans about Islam, when he obviously doesn't understand the "views" of most Americans on immigration/visas and open borders. Just doesn't cut it somehow.

7 posted on 11/14/2002 5:51:36 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: TommyDale
Can't say I disagree with your analysis.
8 posted on 11/14/2002 5:52:13 AM PST by Damocles
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To: randita
The vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists

So what? That doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of terrorists are muslims, now, does it?

Islam is evil. Islam is the problem.

Clean out the mosques and deport the muslims.

9 posted on 11/14/2002 5:54:40 AM PST by Gurn
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To: TommyDale
The "Christian Right" is a bogeyman for the lib/socialists.

It's what they use to scare each other while roasting tofumallows.

"If you don't vote against them, they'll look disapprovingly at your cheek piercing and dog collar tattoos!"

10 posted on 11/14/2002 5:56:08 AM PST by MrB
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To: h.a. cherev
Probably a calculated response to the Binny tape telling American muslims to take up arms against their countrymen. It's for public consumption....to keep the peace at home. W's personal beliefs on Islam aren't important in this matter at this time.
11 posted on 11/14/2002 5:58:32 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: randita
The vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists and to paint them all with a broad brush is irresponsible. I agree with Bush on this one.

Is it not also irresponsible to deliberately mislead those who elected you? Is it really true that the "vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists"? Perhaps that depends on what definition of terrorism we choose to use. For example, as you said below...

That being said, those who are not terrorists should rise up with fervor and denounce loudly and repeatedly the terrorist actions that bring shame to them all.

Question: When those who are not terrorists DO NOT do as you suggest, what does that mean? What does it mean when those who are not themselves terrorists provide emotional support for those who are by applauding or justifying or even excusing the actions of Muslim terrorists? Let's go on...

Especially vociferous in denunciation should be all Muslim clerics. It does no good to Islam when even clerics are alleged to have been involved in terrorist murders--such as those in Bali.

Have you noticed that Muslims DO denounce terrorism when they are in the minority and are concerned that the majority might be prejudiced against them because of the actions of Muslim terrorists, BUT are silent or applaud terrorism when they perceive no negative repurcussions to their own communities? For example, many Muslims did denounce the 9/11 attacks, but were silent when a Muslim gunned down some Jewish teens in NYC several years ago. That kind of action, or lack of action, makes me wonder about whether "tarring them all with the same brush" isn't somewhat justified by their conduct. No doubt, there were some who protest against all terrorist actions....however, do they protest loud enough and is anyone listening?

12 posted on 11/14/2002 5:59:06 AM PST by h.a. cherev
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To: randita
That being said, those who are not terrorists should rise up with fervor and denounce loudly and repeatedly the terrorist actions that bring shame to them all.

The question is, why haven't muslims risen up and denounced such action. Because Christianity and a God none other than theirs is the enemy. American, England are not muslim nations and therefore are enemies.

The whole purpose of islam is to subjugate everyone to their religion by force.

Look at their history.

13 posted on 11/14/2002 6:01:31 AM PST by sirchtruth
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To: randita; copycat; rintense
What is known about the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) which protested the remarks of Pat Robertson so strongly? Wasn't this organization denounced as sympathetic to terrorists by Steven Emerson?
14 posted on 11/14/2002 6:04:13 AM PST by h.a. cherev
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To: anniegetyourgun
Probably a calculated response to the Binny tape telling American muslims to take up arms against their countrymen. It's for public consumption....to keep the peace at home.

I apologize for my ignorance, but I fail to understand your point. GWB's statement may placate the liberals somewhat but, if history is any teacher, will only earn him the contempt of Muslims here and abroad. Witness the multiple concessions the Israelis have given - has it earned them any points with the Muslims either in the ME or here? Further, witness how some quasi-Jewish organization joined CAIR in denouncing anti-Muslim remarks and applauding GWB - will that earn them any sympathy in the American Muslim community? I don't know the answers, but I have my suspicions.

W's personal beliefs on Islam aren't important in this matter at this time.

Again, I fail to understand. GWB is proving more and more to be a real leader. People will emulate/adopt his positions. IF GWB is misleading the majority as to the true nature of Islam and Muslims through his views, we may all end up paying a greater price than if GWB either was silent or spoke out on what he expects from the "non-terrorist" Muslim majority, e.g., total cooperation in the fight against ALL terrorism - perhaps even above and beyond what is expected from non-Muslim Americans.

15 posted on 11/14/2002 6:12:08 AM PST by h.a. cherev
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To: randita
Especially vociferous in denunciation should be all Muslim clerics.

And don't you imagine there is a reason that the clerics do not speak up. They are probably afraid of their own religion.

16 posted on 11/14/2002 6:16:17 AM PST by Pure Country
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To: Gurn
Lets see if GWB & "most Americans" agree when the next large terrorist attack happens here & the suicide bombings begin. The fact is, Muslims will ALWAYS defend each other even if a wrong is done.
17 posted on 11/14/2002 6:28:42 AM PST by Far Right Of Left
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To: Damocles
"Obviously, we'd like to hear him repudiate these people by name, but we appreciate that he's moving in that direction," said Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).

Maybe that will happen the day CAIR humbles itself and repudiates the jihad against the west.

18 posted on 11/14/2002 6:33:54 AM PST by doc30
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To: h.a. cherev
I don't think he's ready to publicly state that all muslims are evil and it's time to root everyone of them out of their homes to place in camps. As for his deeper and theological beliefs about Islam, it matters no more than what Saddam has to say about America in his recent screed to the U.N. The plan is still the same.
19 posted on 11/14/2002 6:39:14 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: randita
Thank you for your first paragraph. When I said something similar on another thread, I was told that Muslims that do not condone the terrorist activities, just aren't real Muslims! I don't necessarily feel that they should stand up and denounce others though. The majority of Muslims in the world aren't Americans, thus they just don't think like we do or want them to. Most on freerepublic seem to think that the rest of the world should act and think like us, which just isn't realistic. A lot of people just can't seem to grasp the possibility that those Islamics that are involved in terrorism, and the annihilation of non-Muslims, are operating under a political agenda, and using Islam to manipulate the Muslim population. That population which, for reasons of ethnicity, economics, education, etc., are easily led/manipulated. I agree with the president, in that it is not the religion, it is the individuals, that are guilty.
20 posted on 11/14/2002 6:45:24 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: Gurn
The vast majority of Muslim terrorists are of Arabic/Mid-east descent....100% of the Arabs are human....humans are terrorists.....What you said really doesn't mean anything.
21 posted on 11/14/2002 6:49:45 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: Damocles
Unless and until masses of "main-stream" (if there is such a thing) Muslims demonstrate and protest against militant Islam, today's prophets Falwell and Robertson prove correct.

If Isaiah were alive today, he'd be sued.

22 posted on 11/14/2002 6:51:41 AM PST by joyful1
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To: MissAmericanPie
"By far, the vast majority of American citizens respect the Islamic people and the Muslim faith. After all, there are millions of peaceful-loving Muslim Americans," Bush said.

Well, this American (not in the so-called vast majority) respects all people - but none for being Islamic; has no respect for the Muslim faith; and thinks that most Islamic people worldwide sympathyze with the terrorists and the ones with money finance the terrorists. You have to know who your enemies are to love them. Pluralism is even more dangerous than Islam.


ISLAM is a religion of peace!
ISLAM is a religion of peace!
ISLAM is a religion of peace!

23 posted on 11/14/2002 6:52:43 AM PST by Theophilus
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To: copycat
While I agree with many Christian leaders that Islam is a gutter religion bent on violence and world dominance, I do not believe that should be the official policy of the United States...a nation founded on religious freedom.

This is a difficult position to sustain, especially in the face of so much Muslim-authored death and destruction -- but it's the right one. Thanks for this concise articulation. I should remind myself of it from time to time.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit The Palace Of Reason: http://palaceofreason.com

24 posted on 11/14/2002 6:53:21 AM PST by fporretto
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To: Gurn
I am astounded he did not rile against anti-Americanism in general and against muslims and CAIR and other liberals who rile against Christians.

Whatsuhproblem?
25 posted on 11/14/2002 6:54:03 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: h.a. cherev
You fail to understand that rising up and denouncing, are not inherent human traits, They are traits that can be attributed to those western countries that are basically democratic, and have been for a long time. The majority of Muslims do not live in these countries. You should not assume that everyone in the world should be like you want them to be.
26 posted on 11/14/2002 6:54:36 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: Theophilus
Anyone who adheres to the Quaran has already outted themselves as an extremist, plain and simple. What does it matter what the "majority" of Americans think of Islam? Most Americans don't educate themselves about much in the first place to know why they think this or that in the second place.

Would it matter that the "majority" believes fire isn't hot if the truth is, that fire is hot? It's a lame claim given the evidence.
27 posted on 11/14/2002 7:12:43 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: stuartcr
Let me try it this way: Can you name another religious group that has murdered 3,000 Americans in one lick? Or taken over a Moscow theatre? Or blown up an American ship? Or blew up the WTC in '93? Or blew up the Marine Barracks?

Islam is evil. Its followers are wicked murderers, and they are the enemy of our country.

Oh, what religion was the Beltway sniper?

28 posted on 11/14/2002 7:18:53 AM PST by Gurn
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To: Gurn
How do you explain the millions of Muslims that do not condone the violence? Has it ever occurred to you that it may very well be a political agenda, using the Koran as a rallying device, and a means to manipulate people?
29 posted on 11/14/2002 7:29:01 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: Gurn
Johnny Mohammad was a murdering Islamokazi/Facist? Imagine that!

If I had only believed the mainstream media that told me he was a gun nut and ex-military.

30 posted on 11/14/2002 7:33:25 AM PST by ewing
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To: Gurn
Oh, what religion was the Beltway sniper?

Timothy McVeigh was a Muslim too wasn't he?

31 posted on 11/14/2002 7:33:30 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: ewing
If I had only believed the mainstream media that told me he was a gun nut and ex-military.

That turned out to be the case did it not? Ex-military. Liked to play with guns, lots of target shooting...

32 posted on 11/14/2002 7:34:59 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Gurn
Send Bush a email and protest his treatment of christian leaders that speak truth! Islam is evil and a cult and must be banned!
33 posted on 11/14/2002 7:36:47 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: sirchtruth
Because Christianity and a God none other than theirs is the enemy. American, England are not muslim nations and therefore are enemies.

You could say the same thing about liberals, but rounding them up and jailing them isn't what America is about.

34 posted on 11/14/2002 7:37:34 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Damocles
what a courageous little man! after the election, here rides gorgeous george to ridicule his supporters.

thank you, klintoon playbook...

hahahahahahahaha.
35 posted on 11/14/2002 7:39:04 AM PST by galt-jw
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To: Prodigal Son
what we will need is all conservative writers and christians that work for the internet sites and the media to tell the truth Islam is the Enemy! Day after day til they get it! Islam must be stopped or we are going to all die because of it and our leaders idiotic remarks that it is Peace! BS it is......
36 posted on 11/14/2002 7:39:39 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
you spilled your kool aid.
37 posted on 11/14/2002 7:40:57 AM PST by galt-jw
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To: stuartcr
How do you explain the millions of Muslims that do not condone the violence?

I don't care. It doesn't matter. Where are the voices of these alleged "millions of Muslims"? The silence is overpowering.

All we hear from those "Muslims who don't condone violence" is talk about anti-Muslim bigotry.

Which religion is at war with the rest of the world right now? Which religion is the source of the vast majority of violence and mayhem in the world? Answer the question.

38 posted on 11/14/2002 7:48:14 AM PST by Gurn
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To: TLBSHOW
Now hold on. I am an American. Born and bred. Are people on this thread trying to tell me that if I converted to Islam I should be banned from the country of my birth? Or what exactly?
39 posted on 11/14/2002 7:48:17 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
Nah, he was Catholic. I think he had Muslim help, though.
40 posted on 11/14/2002 7:50:50 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: Prodigal Son
You sound like Ibrahim Cooper of CAIR.

McVeigh was an athiest, according to the book American Terrorist.

Muslims murder people who don't agree with them (See Sudan, where 2 million have been slaughtered.)

Islam is the enemy, whether you acknowledge it or not.

41 posted on 11/14/2002 7:51:09 AM PST by Gurn
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To: Prodigal Son
No. I'd have you put into a camp until this war is over. Deportation would work for me, too, though.
42 posted on 11/14/2002 7:52:20 AM PST by Gurn
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To: TommyDale
Yeah, I noticed that yesterday. By adding the words "Christian Right" the news media can get quick attention from the flaming liberals.

But that attention helps Bush with moderate voters, doesn't it? Seems like this is the type of story that those who want to demonize Bush would prefer not to see.

For what its worth, I think Bush is right on this. Yes, there are parts of the Koran that are violent, but there are hundreds of millions of moslems who don't interpret that as a license to kill Christians and Jews. We oughta make it clear we've got no beef with those folks at all, and no problem with the manner in which they interpret their religion.

43 posted on 11/14/2002 7:58:12 AM PST by XJarhead
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To: Damocles
Pretty misleading title. Bush did not single out the "Christian Right", but hey, that sells.
That's true. He said what he said and if the shoe fits...then it fits.

-Eric

44 posted on 11/14/2002 7:58:55 AM PST by E Rocc
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To: Gurn
Muslims murder people who don't agree with them

Could you clarify this? The way I read this is you are saying 100% of Muslims murder people who don't agree with them. Is this what you're saying?

You sound like Ibrahim Cooper of CAIR.

Never heard of him.

No. I'd have you put into a camp until this war is over. Deportation would work for me, too, though.

On what charge? And where would you have me deported to? And would you do these things even if I, as a newly converted Muslim, had broken no laws and had no intention of doing so?

Would this be accomplished by an Act of Congress? Constitutional Ammendment? Presidential Order? I'm just asking people to clarify what it is they're calling for. You don't know my personal stance on Islam. Personally, I would've nuked at least a dozen different nations on the evening of 9/11/01. That's just me though. I think the world would be much better off without Islam. But I'm asking you to come right and say what it is you would do to your fellow Americans who are either now Islamic or who wanted to convert to Islam. And how would you prevent the left from doing the same thing to Christians once you opened that Pandora's Box?

46 posted on 11/14/2002 8:03:31 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Gurn
You don't care...it doesn't matter.....How about calm, rational thinking? Silence only speaks to someone who has already decided what they want to hear. Just by it's definition, it cannot possibly say anything on it's own. Has it occurred to you, that many people in the world do not think like you do? Perhaps it is just not their way to openly denounce things, perhaps by their NOT committing violent acts, this is their method of denouncement. We hear nothing from the majority of Muslims in the world, not talk about bigotry, that is from a vocal few. A religion is not at war with anyone, it is those with a political agenda, using Islam, that are at war with the world. Just as guns are not responsible for murders, neither is a religious belief, regardless of what it's tenets are. It is the person pulling the trigger that is responsible, for whatever reason they use. How can this be so hard to comprehend?
47 posted on 11/14/2002 8:04:48 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
The vast majority of Muslim terrorists are of Arabic/Mid-east descent....100% of the Arabs are human....humans are terrorists.....What you said really doesn't mean anything.
I've become convinced there's people here who don't consider Arabs to be human. Unfortunately, it's the last kind of bigotry that doesn't get deleted. Make a similar comment about black people and violent crime and the feces would impact the rotation device, as it should.

-Eric

48 posted on 11/14/2002 8:06:16 AM PST by E Rocc
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To: Damocles
Bush said such anti-Islamic comments were at odds with the views of most Americans.

Sorry W, but I don't believe that tripe for one second.

49 posted on 11/14/2002 8:09:21 AM PST by A2J
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To: A2J
what we will need is all conservative writers and christians that work for the internet sites and the media to tell the truth Islam is the Enemy! Day after day til they get it! Islam must be stopped or we are going to all die because of it and our leaders idiotic remarks that it is Peace! BS it is......


50 posted on 11/14/2002 8:10:23 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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