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Bush aide sensed 'Nazi' mood(Woodward: Rove said that 'W" at World Series was like a Nazi Rally)
nypost ^ | November 16, 2002 | By RICHARD JOHNSON with Paula Froelich and Chris Wilson

Posted on 11/16/2002 5:19:44 AM PST by KQQL

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:10:24 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

PRESIDENTIAL adviser Karl Rove and other members of George W. Bush's administration will have to go into heavy spin control when Bob Woodward's muckraking "Bush at War" hits the stores next week.

The Washington Post reporter was given unheard-of access to top White House aides for the upcoming Simon & Schuster tome, but loose-lipped insiders may soon regret their candor. Excerpts obtained by the Drudge Report contain some of Woodward's revelations.


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1 posted on 11/16/2002 5:19:44 AM PST by KQQL
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To: Torie; Free the USA; deport; ambrose
Woodward is working for the RATS.......
2 posted on 11/16/2002 5:20:56 AM PST by KQQL
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A Very Anti W book....why did W let him in the WH?
3 posted on 11/16/2002 5:23:13 AM PST by KQQL
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To: KQQL
Bob Woodward's book is a hit piece on Bush?

I'm shocked, just totally shocked.

The democrats will have something to consume again, besides themselves

4 posted on 11/16/2002 5:24:35 AM PST by JZoback
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To: KQQL
It does make one wonder what they were thinking? BTW, the only thing that is surprising about Woodward's book is that he failed to include an interview with Osama in the book.
5 posted on 11/16/2002 5:27:26 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: JZoback
Why did W and Company let hom in......

He wants to bring W down...that's all
6 posted on 11/16/2002 5:29:03 AM PST by KQQL
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To: JZoback
Why did W and Company let him in......

He wants to bring W down...that's all..
Plus , this is to scare Jewish voters from W...........
7 posted on 11/16/2002 5:29:49 AM PST by KQQL
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To: KQQL
>>Karl Rove thought, it's like being at a Nazi rally."

Excuse me? Is this a direct quote from Rove? If so, why isn't this in quotes? Or is this just what Woodward thinks Rove thought?

I suspect the latter, which implies that Woodward thinks all the New Yorkers attending that game are Nazis.

8 posted on 11/16/2002 5:30:15 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: FreedomPoster
Well given the 'Patriot' Act and the Homeland Defense bill, it fits....
9 posted on 11/16/2002 5:35:53 AM PST by DAnconia55
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To: FreedomPoster

10 posted on 11/16/2002 5:38:18 AM PST by Howlin
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To: FreedomPoster
Exactly right! Windward is using Mo's (michael Dowdless's ex) crystal ball.
11 posted on 11/16/2002 5:40:28 AM PST by try phecta tom
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To: KQQL
... A Very Anti W book....why did W let him in the WH? ...
An interesting question, surely. And our President has a history of allowing hostile journalists privileged access, e.g. Pelosi's Journies with George (or something like that). Strangely, however, whenever the President allows such access, the portrait of him that emerges is always somehow strangely positive.

More than any other public figure in recent history, this President understands his enemies, and knows how to manipulate them in exceedingly subtle ways.
12 posted on 11/16/2002 5:41:41 AM PST by Asclepius
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To: FreedomPoster

Firstly, Karl Rove would never had said such a thing to Bob Woodward. You'll notice that there is no direct quotation.

Secondly, the piece is designed to undermine Rove in the eyes of the President. Rove has been a target for liberal Democrats for some time. Bush understands this, and will ignore it.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

13 posted on 11/16/2002 5:43:37 AM PST by section9
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To: FreedomPoster
I suspect the latter, which implies that Woodward thinks all the New Yorkers attending that game are Nazis.

The "Heil" sign should be reservered for me Hitlery thought. New Yorkers are mein.

14 posted on 11/16/2002 5:45:09 AM PST by lonestar
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To: KQQL
Bob Woodward confuses the fiction for nonfiction.

Remember all those conversations he had with Casey who was comatose at the time?

When Mr. Rove makes public tapes of their conversations, won't that be interesting? (wishful thinking on my part)
15 posted on 11/16/2002 5:49:37 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother
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To: KQQL
Not only did Rove make that "Nazi" comment to Woodward, but Hitler himself told Woodward in an exclusive interview that he agreed.... Mussolini was unavailable for comment.

Woodward has been shown to be a proven, bald-faced liar on other occassions. Why would this be any different?

16 posted on 11/16/2002 5:50:59 AM PST by San Jacinto
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother
Remember all those conversations he had with Casey who was comatose at the time?

That's exactly what I was thinking. What makes anyone believe that Rove ever talked to Woodward, let alone said what he is purported to have said?

17 posted on 11/16/2002 5:52:50 AM PST by Bubba_Leroy
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To: KQQL
"A Very Anti W book....why did W let him in the WH?"

A good question and probably no good answer. . .

We may have won big last week; but they still do not seem to know just what lengths their enemies will go; and just who are their worst enemies as well.

That said; how does one 'splain' this one. . .beyond stupid.

18 posted on 11/16/2002 5:55:06 AM PST by cricket
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To: vbmoneyspender
the only thing that is surprising about Woodward's book is that he failed to include an interview with Osama in the book.

Not to worry. I'm sure Woodward got a deathbed interview with Osama, in the Sheik's underground hospital/cave in Tora Bora.

19 posted on 11/16/2002 5:57:35 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: section9
You'll notice that there is no direct quotation.

I didn't notice that until you pointed it out. The quotation marks in the article are quoting Woodward, not Rove.

What Woodward wrote is: "Watching from owner George Steinbrenner's box, Karl Rove thought, it's like being at a Nazi rally." In other words, Woodward isn't even claiming to quote anything Rove said. He is claiming to quote what Rove thought. Wow, isn't Woodward amazing? No wonder he is such a great reporter. He can read minds!

20 posted on 11/16/2002 5:57:56 AM PST by Bubba_Leroy
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To: KQQL
Karl Rove thought, it's like being at a Nazi rally.

Obviously he missed the Wellstone "memorial".
(That "We will win" chant sent shivers up my spine. Very spooky)

21 posted on 11/16/2002 6:00:54 AM PST by lizma
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To: KQQL
All I can say about this is that we had better get used to these types of accusations being levied against the administration. This is a part of the Democratic strategy to gain back power. They would love to paint the Republican control of the branches of power in this country as being related to Nazi control of Germany. It is the ultimate scare tactic.

Just as a thought, it is quite sad that people forget what Nazism really was like. The character of a Nazi rally was not merely a sign of support for a popular president. It was permeated with hatred and blind devotion and constant saluting in pledge to glorify the leader and to grant him total power. I seriously doubt that the World Series event possessed these characteristics, and therefore I seriously doubt Rove said ANYTHING of the sort.

22 posted on 11/16/2002 6:01:39 AM PST by MWS
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To: Bubba_Leroy
The ability to read minds is particularly useful when one can nolonger find a real source! ;-)
23 posted on 11/16/2002 6:01:49 AM PST by SubMareener
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To: FreedomPoster
"Excuse me? Is this a direct quote from Rove? If so, why isn't this in quotes? Or is this just what Woodward thinks Rove thought?"

. . .good point; I hope there is some defense, but the damage, deserved or not, will be done (though no matter the context, that 'n' word is a dangerous place to go. . .)

With or without it, a great hatchet job by a 'Rat lackey'. Disgusting.

24 posted on 11/16/2002 6:07:59 AM PST by cricket
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To: San Jacinto
Powell was also "uncomfortable" with some of Bush's Texan ways: "Bush might order, Go get the guns! Get my horses! - all the Texas, Alamo macho that made Powell uncomfortable. But he believed and hoped the president knew better, that he would see the go-it-alone approach did not stand further analysis."

I might have some disagreements with Colin Powell, but to attribute such tortured useage of the English language to him is ridiculous.

This has all the appearance of a blowhard writer, still living off of a reputation that is overblown, while trying to impress the "ordinary people" with his erudition. At this point, Woodward is the Al Bundy of journalism, trying to maintain his relevance based on something he was involved in 30 years ago. Yep, I surely remember those 4 touchdown, I mean, Watergate, and it makes me stand up and take notice of Bob "Al Bundy" Woodward whenever he speaks.

25 posted on 11/16/2002 6:09:20 AM PST by stylin_geek
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To: Bubba_Leroy
John Edward is astounded at Woodward's ability to read minds, currently functioning or comatose.
26 posted on 11/16/2002 6:11:25 AM PST by CaptainK
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To: Asclepius
"More than any other public figure in recent history, this President understands his enemies, and knows how to manipulate them in exceedingly subtle ways."

I had a similar thought. Why does he do it? Because he knows that the more the libs bash him and skew the facts to make him look bad, the more the people get sick of it. I think the last election is part of the proof of that.

I have no doubt that there were comparisons to a Hitler rally -- in the sense that they would be concerned with the visual similarity. In other words, it made them uncomfortable that it looked a little like Hitler and uncomfortable that some @sshole like Woodward would use the similarity to draw a negative comparison. Now, Woodward proves such concern to be legit.

27 posted on 11/16/2002 6:13:55 AM PST by Lee'sGhost
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To: cricket
Woodward was granted access for a 5-part series he did for the Washington Post about the days right after 9/11. It ran several months ago and was very positive.

Now that 9/11 has faded, what I believe has happened is that Woodward (prodded no doubt by the Clinton/McAuliffe faction) has taken the same information and embellished it with little Woodwardisms like this Nazi thought, which in my opinion is total fiction. Rove wouldn't think such a thing of a World Series game. He might have remembered the USA/Russia hockey game, but not a Nazi rally! And is he thought it, he wouldn't have said it to anyone!

Now, since Dana Milbank's sole purpose on the Washington Post is to manufacture hit pieces on the President, and considering that the Clintons are envious of the President's success, and considering that it was known that Woodward was writing a book, and considering that the publisher is Clinton's publisher, I don't think it is hard to see what happened.

28 posted on 11/16/2002 6:14:41 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Asclepius
More than any other public figure in recent history, this President understands his enemies, and knows how to manipulate them in exceedingly subtle ways.

As Don Corleone said: "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."

29 posted on 11/16/2002 6:15:11 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: CaptainK
I'll bet neither Woodward nor Rove has ever been to a Nazi rally.
30 posted on 11/16/2002 6:16:42 AM PST by gitmo
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To: Semper Paratus
One thing about this book...I will bet it does NOT sell as well as Bill Sammon's book, Fighting Back.

Those of us who are Bush supporters are not going to buy the book, and the liberals won't buy it because they don't want to read about the war, so we are left with a very, very tiny market niche for Mr. Woodward.

I hope Sammon's book is on the best-seller list for months, and that Woodward has to see that list every week while his book sits in the cellar.

31 posted on 11/16/2002 6:18:58 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: lizma
Me, too. Ray Bradbury couldn't havbe written a story that ended with the Wellstone Funeral.
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"Wellstone Funeral" has now entered the vernacular as a synonym for unintended consequences.
32 posted on 11/16/2002 6:19:45 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: FreedomPoster
Excuse me? Is this a direct quote from Rove? If so, why isn't this in quotes? Or is this just what Woodward thinks Rove thought?

It sounds like all the people standing with their arms outstreached briefly reminded Rove of the old nazi rallies where they did the nazi salute. Yawn! This really sounds like they are trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

33 posted on 11/16/2002 6:27:00 AM PST by Sci Fi Guy
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To: lonestar
The "Heil" sign should be reservered for me Hitlery thought. New Yorkers are mein.

What? Are you telling us that the title to Hitlery's new book will be "Mein Kampf"?

34 posted on 11/16/2002 6:27:29 AM PST by Ole Okie
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To: Miss Marple
One thing about this book...I will bet it does NOT sell as well as Bill Sammon's book, Fighting Back.

Woodwards books should be listed under Science Fiction.

35 posted on 11/16/2002 6:28:33 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Howlin
That was a great moment. Only someone like Bob Woodward would find it sinister. Am I really supposed to believe Rove was reminded of a NAZI rally? Give me a friggin' break.

REality check time. The crowd cheered for Bush. That was good, especially after all the speculation by the media that Bush just might get himself booed. But it was the Yankees who really brought the house down, which is also good. And as it should be. It was a baseball game. It was the World Series.

In fact, there was a game-winning home run that night or the next, during which I really feared the upper deck was going to come down. I could see it moving on television!

And so what if Woodward was freaked out by "15000 fans" returning the thumbs-up gesture. The stadium holds close to 60,000.

36 posted on 11/16/2002 6:30:54 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: KQQL
The RATS always need to personalize politics because they cannot win arguments based on policy -- they have no policy initiatives.

Like Newt in the 90's, I look for Rove and Lay to be their targets over the next two years with the willing assistance of "journalism" like this book.
37 posted on 11/16/2002 6:34:07 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: KQQL
I said before that Bush is a master strategist. I think he allows the most assenine and hateful reporters interviews because he uses it for his own benefit. Now watch this. When Bush speaks, he does it in a way that everyone understands him. He doesn't use words that people don't understand. Watch his body language too. He's very intense and you can tell he's truly authentic. People can see into him and feel like he actually is there for the people rather than the power. (slick willy). I think especially after 9/11 people feel more secure that he's the President as opposed to Klinton. But I think the most important thing that people like about him is that he'll tell you what he's gonna do and he keeps his word. That is part of what defines a person's character. Did you ever notice that Bush has never once referred to the Clinton administration as the source of the problems we have today. Clinton always blamed Bush sr. But W. seems to be the kind of MAN that deals with what's at hand and not wasting time fingerpointing. Me thinks he was raised right. Must've had good parents.
38 posted on 11/16/2002 6:34:37 AM PST by vnix
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To: KQQL
I went to high school with this moron. He was a teacher suck-up then and a slime ball. A geek. Why on earth after this jerk's hit books on Casey and the Supremes would you ever give him unlimited access????????????????????????/
39 posted on 11/16/2002 6:39:59 AM PST by Doc Savage
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To: KQQL
I wonder if Powell or Rove can sue for this. Not that they'll win, but it would publicly force Woodward to say he made it up out of thin air.
40 posted on 11/16/2002 6:41:20 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Oops, Lay = DeLay.
41 posted on 11/16/2002 6:52:11 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Miss Marple
Time for our bookstore 'strategery'? Hmmm?
42 posted on 11/16/2002 6:52:56 AM PST by Fracas
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To: lizma
Exactly, if Rove thought the WS was like a Nazi rally, then the Wellstone thing was a ceremony to bring the anit-christ.
43 posted on 11/16/2002 6:55:04 AM PST by rintense
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To: lizma
>Obviously he missed the Wellstone "memorial". (That "We will win" chant sent shivers up my spine. Very spooky)

In MN some called the Wellstone rally, 'the rally at Nuremberg' and for good reason.

44 posted on 11/16/2002 6:58:49 AM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: MWS
I saw him throw out that pitch and there was nothing remotely 'nazi-like' about it. It was a warm, loving greeting -- from New Yorkers! It was followed by pride that our pres could fire a strike to the plate rather than bouncing it up there like so many first pitch tossers do.
45 posted on 11/16/2002 6:59:17 AM PST by johnb838
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To: Miss Marple
Why do you think Woodward's book didn't appear a month ago, so that the media could trumpet it during the last couple of weeks before the election?
46 posted on 11/16/2002 7:03:37 AM PST by aristeides
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To: johnb838
Very true!

Like I said, this is all part of the Democratic strategy for regaining power. Interestingly enough, the strategy is far more Nazi-like than that pitch ever could have been. They use Goebbels propaganda strategy of the big lie, repeated frequently and loudly. It is what they have used in the past, certainly... but, now we must prepare to see it used in ways that puts all past big lies to shame.

47 posted on 11/16/2002 7:03:41 AM PST by MWS
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To: Fracas
Double strategy: replace Woodward's book with Sammon's.
48 posted on 11/16/2002 7:05:22 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Howlin
I'd love to read that thread again, if anyone can remember the title. I remember cracking up when the fans did NOT boo, as Peter Jennings expected. Bwahaha!
49 posted on 11/16/2002 7:05:46 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: Lee'sGhost
The comparison of the wellstone rally to Nazism is the only valid one. The reason people would get so hysterical at hitler's rallies is that he was a charismatic speaker who would work them up into a frenzy like an old-time revival. To compare W to that is ridiculous -- his speeches are almost unemotional compared to that. Dubya's speeches are full of quiet determination. What I usually come away with from his best speeches are "This is not a threat, it's a promise".
50 posted on 11/16/2002 7:06:19 AM PST by johnb838
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