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illegal immigrants: Failure of '86 reform holds lessons for Bush
Denver Post ^ | November 17, 2002 | Michael Riley

Posted on 11/17/2002 2:16:23 AM PST by sarcasm

Sunday, November 17, 2002 - In 1986, then-Sen. Alan Simpson sponsored the first major immigration reform in three decades, and launched one of the biggest fights of his stormy political career.

The landmark legislation put more agents on the border, imposed stiff sanctions for employers who hire illegal immigrants, and granted amnesty to 2.9 million illegal immigrants.

Viewed as a major political feat at the time, 16 years later the law is widely seen as a failure.

The number of illegal immigrants living in the United States has doubled to an estimated 8 million.

"It didn't work the way we thought it was going to," said the lanky former senator from Wyoming, in Denver last week to appear at a lecture series.

"It took a lot of thought. It was a creative bipartisan piece of legislation," he said. But "the failure was the failure to get a more secure (worker) identifier system." In those failings are perhaps a few lessons for politicians, including President Bush, who again is considering the Herculean task of immigration reform.

Simpson's Immigration Reform and Control Act was envisioned as a win-win for immigrants and the host country: Make it much harder for illegals to cross the borders and to get jobs once they were here. Then legalize undocumented immigrants already in the United States, bringing millions into the country's mainstream.

Today, the notion has a familiar ring. Many observers expect Bush will again propose the immigration reform he shelved after Sept. 11. It included the legalization of 3 million undocumented Mexicans living in the United States, the first large-scale amnesty since 1986.

For Simpson, the debate evokes dej vu - but also a keen sense of the pitfalls.

In the wake of the 1986 law, millions of newly minted Americans exercised their right to get visas for members of their extended families, swelling the number of legal immigrants to the U.S.

And the employer sanctions did little more than spawn a massive black market in fake driver's licenses and Social Security numbers, the basic documents employers must ask for.

Simpson said that shows that any new immigration reform must include some form of national ID that's hard to falsify and that employers can use to ensure that prospective workers are legal.

Right now, "you get a breeder document like a (false) birth certificate, then comes the Social Security number, then comes the driver's license, and you're just in the system," Simpson said.

The ID is not a new idea - nor a politically easy proposition. Such an identifier initially was included in the 1986 bill but then stripped. It generated such caustic debates that few politicians are willing to touch the subject even today.

The emotion of that debate also holds another lesson for Bush, the former senator said. Whatever Bush proposes, Simpson said, he should expect a tough fight.

Some experts are more hopeful a major reform can succeed this time, noting that any new proposal is likely to include a critical element the 1986 law lacked. Bush, as well as some prominent Democrats, will support a guest-workers program.

"The idea is to have a circular program where people come in on a temporary basis, do specific work, like seasonal work, and then leave," said Angela Kelley, assistant director of the National Immigration Forum, a Washington-based pro-immigration group.

Simpson's law "rested on an incorrect assumption. You can't stop immigration by shutting down the borders," Kelley said. "You have to give people a legal alternative to enter the country to work."

Simpson doesn't believe it will be that easy.

A country of immigrants, America finds it difficult to hammer out hard-headed solutions to problems that loom larger than ever, he said.

"It's because of the words on the Statue of Liberty - 'the huddled masses,"' Simpson said. "Here's the torch, and those words, and people can't get that out of their craw."

"There is nothing wrong with that, except it doesn't say, 'Send us everybody you've got, legally or illegally,"' he said. "It doesn't say, 'Send us every huddled person in every huddled country."'


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1 posted on 11/17/2002 2:16:23 AM PST by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
What we need is a moratorium on immigration, both legal and illegal. In addition we need to deport all illegal immigrants and then sort things out to see what our policy actually should be. At the moment we have laws on the books that are not enforced and no policy whatsoever. Unless doing nothing is a policy.
2 posted on 11/17/2002 2:35:13 AM PST by Cacique
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To: sarcasm
245(i) Amnesty for Illegals will resurface in the next few months, again. GWB pushed it, Gephardt pushed it. Byrd was the major force in stopping it during its last cycle. But it will arise again--probably (again) as an attachment hidden deep in some "essential" legislation.

Let's hope watchdogs like Byrd and Tancredo will be able stop it again. (I have my doubts they will be able to -- and 245(i) will soon welcome 3 million [or upwards of 10 million--the exact number remains nebulous for good reason by the politicians] illegals into the realm of legality (and new voters).



4 posted on 11/17/2002 3:25:48 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Cacique
Unless doing nothing is a policy.

Our "leaders" pretend that there is no problem.

5 posted on 11/17/2002 3:26:53 AM PST by sarcasm
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To: TomGuy
New U.S. Ambassador to Mexico says more work visas, partial legalization of undocumented migrants likely

The United States is considering giving legalized residency - but not citizenship - to about 15 percent of undocumented workers, and may increase the number of temporary work visas, the new U.S. ambassador-designate said in interviews published Saturday.

The informal proposals fall far short of the comprehensive immigration accord Mexico had sought, but represent a step forward on an issue that is desperately important for President Vicente Fox, and one which has been basically stalled since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Tony Garza, who won Senate confirmation Tuesday and is expected to arrive in Mexico City next week to take up the ambassadorship, told El Universal daily that "I don't think that citizenship should be included. That can be sought as part of another process, without discrimination."

Garza told the Reforma daily that giving automatic citizenship to those who entered the United States illegally could be construed as discouraging legal migration.

In that interview, Garza said the method for determining who would get legal residency could be based on "the length of their time in the country, their employment record, if they have children in school, if they have a real commitment to the community."

He said those kind of criteria could cover around 12 to 15 percent of undocumented workers, but acknowledged there was no firm proposal on a percentage figure, nor on the length of stay - perhaps a minimum of ten years - that might make workers eligible.

The key difference appears to be that legalized residents would have less ability and fewer rights than citizens to sponsor the immigration of large numbers of relatives. Relative-sponsored "family unification" immigration is currently one of the largest sources of the flow of immigrants to the United States.

Neither the State Department nor the Texas Railroad Commission, where Garza previously worked, were able to locate Garza Saturday to confirm the remarks made in the interviews.

In separate remarks made in Washington, former ambassador Jeffrey Davidow acknowledged Mexico won't get everything it wants on immigration, noting "there won't be 'the whole enchilada'" - a phrase once used by diplomats to describe Mexican proposals for mass legalization and freer movement of workers across the border.

Garza, himself the grandson of Mexican immigrants, told El Universal during an interview in Austin, Texas that doing nothing about immigration is not an option. "If we don't do anything about the legal status (of undocumented workers), we'll be admitting that we have a permanent underclass."

Garza also denied bilateral relations have cooled since Washington turned its attention to the fight against terrorism, or since Mexico opposed the U.S. push for a stronger U.N. Security Council resolution against Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

"Those who suggest there was tension, I think are exaggerating," Garza told Reforma in a telephone interview done earlier this week. "There was a serious discussion, because it was a serious issue. But the relationship is strong."

6 posted on 11/17/2002 3:31:30 AM PST by sarcasm
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"The idea is to have a circular program where people come in on a temporary basis, do specific work, like seasonal work, and then leave," said Angela Kelley, assistant director of the National Immigration Forum, a Washington-based pro-immigration group.

Simpson's law "rested on an incorrect assumption. You can't stop immigration by shutting down the borders," Kelley said. "You have to give people a legal alternative to enter the country to work."

People like her are about the most arrogant un-American scum we have. All she has is lies and liberal crud to offer up. I would love to see her organization destroyed with her out on the street begging for spare change.

7 posted on 11/17/2002 3:37:25 AM PST by dennisw
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Tony Garza, who won Senate confirmation Tuesday and is expected to arrive in Mexico City................

Why are we sending a Mexican to Mexico to represent the USA? I assure you that this how the Mexis see Mr. Garza. As a friggin' Mexican who's gonna play footsie with them!
8 posted on 11/17/2002 3:39:42 AM PST by dennisw
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Yesterday she was heading a protest at the NYC Police Headquarters - complaining about police "harassment" of illegal Arabs.
9 posted on 11/17/2002 3:48:28 AM PST by sarcasm
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She needs to be booted to the 3rd world nation of her choice. Permanently!
10 posted on 11/17/2002 3:50:43 AM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw
If she gets her way, the United States will be a third-world nation.
11 posted on 11/17/2002 3:57:59 AM PST by sarcasm
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To: dennisw
More on Garza from Houston Chronicle:

Envoy seeks progress in immigration reformBy ARMANDO VILLAFRANCA
Copyright 2002 Houston Chronicle Austin Bureau

AUSTIN -- Though Sept. 11 shifted U.S. foreign policy toward the war on terrorism, the next U.S. ambassador to Mexico said Wednesday he is optimistic immigration reform will return to the forefront.

"I view it from the perspective of a Mexican and an American and I happen to think it's important to us that we move on immigration because I really do think it speaks to our character and our identity," said Tony Garza Jr., 43, who serves on the Texas Railroad Commission.

On Tuesday, the U.S. Senate confirmed his nomination to become the next ambassador to Mexico.

His confirmation comes at both a critical and extraordinary time in U.S.-Mexico relations, which reached a pinnacle on Sept. 6, 2001, when Mexican President Vicente Fox addressed Congress and both countries appeared headed toward an accord on immigration reform.

Though Garza acknowledged that much of that momentum disappeared after the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, he believes the issue is too important economically to both countries to not eventually return to the table.

He said both countries share the same objectives, but have yet to define how those objectives can be met.

Garza said he supports easing the policy on residency, but not without first defining the criteria to support the status change such as length of time in the country, criminal history and whether residents have children in school.

Also, he said the United States has a de facto guest worker program and must find ways to make it a market-driven work force.

Garza supports the extension of the Legal Immigration & Family Equity Act that will enable Mexican nationals who qualify for permanent residency to adjust their status in the United States rather than return to Mexico. The extension allows Mexicans who have immigration status violations to pay a $1,000 penalty and remain in the country rather than returning to Mexico while applying for permanent residency.

"It's important to America as well as to Mexico," Garza said of the immigration issues. "They're very compatible agendas but it's got to be driven by the United States in what's in our best interest.

"We have never been about a country creating a permanent underclass."

Garza anticipates the issue of legalization to be debated between the two countries. While immigration reform will lead to changes that will benefit both countries, he said, the path toward legalization will not be direct.

The support will be welcomed in Mexico, which is expected to pressure Garza and make immigration policy between the two countries a major issue.

"They won't have to squeeze hard because I already think it's important," Garza said.

Both countries benefit economically from the relationship. The United States gets low-cost labor and Mexico gets a market for more than 85 percent of its exports. Also, two-thirds of all foreign investment in Mexico is from the United States. And Garza said estimates of the amount of money sent back to Mexico by family working in the United States range from $10 billion to $14 billion.

But the current political climate in Mexico City, especially in regard to the United States, will be much different when Garza arrives than it was before the terrorist attacks.

Harley Shaiken, a University of California-Berkeley professor specializing in global economics, said the Bush administration and its Republican supporters have placed the Hispanic vote at the top of their agenda while Mexico has slipped near the bottom.

"Fox came in and gambled heavily that by him moving in a U.S.-centered direction that immigration reform would occur in the U.S., that is he could say to Mexico, `I shifted Mexico foreign policy, but look what we gained,' " Shaiken said.

He said Fox has suffered considerable political damage as a result of that policy.

"Fox gambled and the U.S. didn't deliver," he said.

Nestor Rodriguez, a sociologist at the University of Houston and co-director of the Center for Immigration Research, agreed.

"The Mexicans right now want desperately to do something dealing with the undocumented population living here now, and Mexicans will pressure (Garza) on that," Rodriguez said. "There's always the circumstances that affect relationships and the one we're in right now certainly doesn't favor Mexico."

Garza downplayed the concerns that Fox's hopes for reform remain mired in stubborn opposition from the Mexican government.

"Has it always been exactly what he's wanted? No, but that's the nature of a democracy," Garza said. "I think he's had some pretty significant successes and shown leadership in a lot of issues."

One thing that can offer Fox optimism and that worked in favor of Garza's nomination, is Garza's close ties to President Bush. Garza, a Brownsville native and former Cameron County judge, was appointed Texas secretary of state by Bush soon after Bush was elected governor in 1994. He remained as a senior adviser to the governor.

"Will (Fox) have high expectations? Not really. I think Fox's expectations have been tempered by the reality of the last two years when much seemed possible and little has been delivered," Shaiken said.

Garza said his experiences of growing up on the border and serving the region in public office have shown him both the limitless possibilities and futility born from distance.

He remembers a variation on an old saying about Mexico's misfortune of being so far from God and so close to Texas. He said the border has been at a disadvantage because of its distance from DF (Mexico City) and DC (Washington).

"In the wake of (the North American Free Trade Agreement) what you saw I think was both countries starting to look at the border and starting to recognize there had been a fair amount of neglect, and so what was needed was to start focusing on the border," he said.

As for his nomination, Garza said he plans to be forthright and hardworking and hope that those virtues will help him overcome any obstacles and win him support in Mexico.

Shaiken remained skeptical.

"He could very well have a positive reception, he could be welcomed to Mexico, but I think he doesn't arrive with a clean slate," he said.


12 posted on 11/17/2002 5:40:16 AM PST by madfly
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To: dennisw
Link for story in post #12 from Houston Chronicle
13 posted on 11/17/2002 5:42:04 AM PST by madfly
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To: Free the USA; Tancredo Fan; Marine Inspector; Ajnin; agitator; Sabertooth; Tancred; Spiff; ...
ping
14 posted on 11/17/2002 6:07:10 AM PST by madfly
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To: sarcasm
A country of immigrants, America finds it difficult to hammer out hard-headed solutions to problems that loom larger than ever, he said.

Nope. Only our politicians find it difficult. The vast majority of regular Americans want the laws enforced and illegal aliens deported.

15 posted on 11/17/2002 6:15:42 AM PST by B Knotts
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A country of immigrants, America finds it difficult to hammer out hard-headed solutions to problems that loom larger than ever, he said.

Lol. The only hard head I see is Michael Riley and his supermarket tabloid called the Denver Post.

He writes his "piece" as if the country is in a quagmire over what to do about illegal immigration. The American people know exactly what they want... close the borders and enforce the laws. And NO amnesties. The only ones confused are idiots like Riley and his political friends who have a totally different agenda.

16 posted on 11/17/2002 6:35:20 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: sarcasm
In separate remarks made in Washington, former ambassador Jeffrey Davidow acknowledged Mexico won't get everything it wants on immigration, noting "there won't be 'the whole enchilada'" - a phrase once used by diplomats to describe Mexican proposals for mass legalization and freer movement of workers across the border.

This remark is quite telling. Seems that an Amnesty deal is on its way and the administration is trying to sell it as "were not giving Mexico 100% of what it wants". WOW! As if what Mexico wants has ANY relevance whatsoever to our lawmaking. Though the sad fact is that with Bush, what Mexico wants is of the utmost importance.

As America unravels due to out of control legal and illegal immigration we find our elected officials dreaming up ways to make this crisis even worse.

Who do these people work for? It certainly isn't the American People.

17 posted on 11/17/2002 7:14:23 AM PST by WRhine
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"In the wake of (the North American Free Trade Agreement) what you saw I think was both countries starting to look at the border and starting to recognize there had been a fair amount of neglect, and so what was needed was to start focusing on the border," he said.

I agree. We need to focus our National Guard units on shoring up the seive.
18 posted on 11/17/2002 7:16:22 AM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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To: WRhine
They're going to find a way to push this through Congress. The other day Fox was pushing amnesty as a way to improve American national security - this is probably how they'll try to frame the debate.
19 posted on 11/17/2002 7:35:21 AM PST by sarcasm
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To: WRhine
Bush wasted no time post election to begin the "earned legalization' dialogue. It's got me wondering just what his real agenda is here since drawing in Hispanic voters can't be used as an excuse anymore??

Lott now wants troops on the border, will Bush oppose that too? I've said a thousand times, I want to support him, but sheesh he doesn't make it easy for a lot of us. I hope at this point Tancredo challenges him in the primaries, if for any reason to draw out a debate on this issue.

20 posted on 11/17/2002 7:40:15 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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