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To: hscott
You're entitled to your opinion, however, according to the online Merriam Webster dictionary, the definition of "libertarian" is as follows:

>>> a person who upholds the principles of absolute and unrestricted liberty especially of thought and action <<<

I have nothing against an individual choosing to think any thought they like, or writing down impractical ideas for others to read, but as a law and order conservative, I'm against "absolute and unrestricted" action in our civilized and law abiding society. America has a free and open society, but that doesn't translate into an anything goes approach, which is exactly what libertarianism is all about.

24 posted on 11/17/2002 3:31:49 PM PST by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
Maybe but dictionary.com defines "libertarian' as

"One who advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state."

So hey what do we do when dictionaries don't agree? Anyway I would say that a better way to determine what the word means is to ask libertarians, "What does a libertarian believe?"

It seems to me that you are attacking libertarians on the basis of dictionary definitions - a bad idea I think. I have no problem with attacking libertarians since I am also doing that but you should attack on the basis of what they actually believe.

From my experience the equating of "libertarian" with "libertine" is baseless and shameful. If anything libertarians tend to be rather uptight controlled intellectual chaps, not wild dopers - but maybe that's just me.

25 posted on 11/17/2002 3:40:22 PM PST by hscott
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To: Reagan Man; hscott; Sparta; fporretto; OWK; Sir Gawain; Centurion2000; Bella_Bru; Action-America; ..
...as a law and order conservative, I'm against "absolute and unrestricted" action in our civilized and law abiding society. America has a free and open society, but that doesn't translate into an anything goes approach, which is exactly what libertarianism is all about.

There is less "order" and less freedom in America than at any other time in our history. We now have a president putting in place measures designed to remove more of our freedoms and trample on the Bill of Rights.

What do you think about the government owning the largest share of land in the country and grabbing as much more as it can? What do you think your president will do about this (Land Grab Act Comes Back) for example?

And what do you think your president will do about gun rights? I'll tell you. When he's done, there will be no gun rights. Just watch what he does about this (BATF Moves to Block Importation of 'Obsolete' US Military Guns) for example.

I am not a libertarian, but at least they are for liberty, and that is the thing this country was founded for. For the few of us who still believe it is, "give me liberty or give me death," the demise of this country is apparently at hand. Most people do not care for freedom, most people are terrified of liberty, of actually being responsible for their own lives. They want "security," a "big brother," a "safety net," and they don't care how many people have to subjugated or repressed to get it.

Hank

27 posted on 11/17/2002 4:08:17 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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