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Brian, firstly a polite request. If you are going to quote me, please do so without adding your own comments inside mine so that the quote ends up making no sense. Thanks.

You defend your countries initial unwillingness to assist western nations in a fight against the terrorism of the time, and then say that Marines into the Pacific saved New Zealand and Australia. If America had entered the war when other western nations did, New Zealand forces would not have been in Europe, North Africa and the Mid East when the Japanese threat emerged, but at home, ready to defend the homeland, there or in the Pacific. You surely must understand that when you transitted NZ, all its fighting men were already fighting anywhere but in NZ. If I was bombastic, I could say, oh, the only reason the US sunned itself for two years while other nations shed their blood for it, was for that very reason. Maybe the US owes a debt of gratitude to someone. Personally, I don't think the Japanese could have held New Zealand, or Australia, and certainly not both at the same time. If you had assisted us when the need was first there, who knows, maybe even the Atomic bomb drop would have been unneccsary.

'Cept for the SAS, New Zealand's army can go home and get back on the dole

Your personal opinion is noted. I also note New Zealand's unemployment rate is lower than in your own country.

I doubt NZ and Australia would have held off the Japanese for very long at all even with their armies back at home. The Japanese were much stronger and had already defeated greater countries defenses. I think we do owe a lot to the Americans who did save us, though you could say the Americans only did so because they were at war with Japan because Japan attacked them. The Americans wouldn't have come to our aid otherwise any more than they did France who was an historic Ally of the USA who had given them the statue of Liberty etc. Perhaps we just owe a lot to the Japanese leader who decided to attack the USA and so bring them into the war to save us all.

As for this quote "Cept for the SAS, New Zealand's army can go home and get back on the dole", I don't think the USA,or Australia for that matter should find it funny that the NZ defense forces have become so depleated since the USA broke it's defense pact with NZ. Considering that NZ fights in every war America leads, it was in the USA's interest to keep NZ's military strong. If you think about it, the USA always seeks Allys for its actions because it doesn't want to go it alone morally. The USA doesn't need help militarily but prefers to have it to add to the strength of their moral argument, and so keeping NZ strong would enable an Ally to always be able to help. The USA should really have given free planes etc to NZ and Australia, and then there wouldn't be only Britain and the USA flying over Iraq at the moment. The USA gives military aid to Egypt and Saudi Arabia and Israel. It would be in their own interests to give it to Australia and NZ too who can't afford to buy high tech miliary hardware themselves, but would pay the price of training a pilot and sending him to war alongside the USA. Apart from US led wars, the NZ armed forces have only ever been part of UN peace keeping. Their only purpose for existing is to support the USA and UN. They couldn't defend us against attack.

<< Brian, firstly [An ignorant, supercilious and arrogant demand.] If you are going to quote me, please do so without adding your own comments inside mine so that the quote ends up making ... sense [And being, therefore, easily identifiable as far too intelligent to have dripped with the vapid superciliousness that oozes from my pen.] Thanks. >>

The rest?

Envy motivated and hatred and rage-driven delusional bullshit.

Read some History and study some United States of America Constitutional Law and then don't bother getting back to me.

Cordially -- Brian

[Geez, shaggs, what passes for an eddjukkkashion down there doesn't improve, eh? Still turning out savants able to employ really big [Two sylable even!] words to verbalize the feelings aroused in them by those in gummint who set up the system and by that gummint's Goebells Institute graduate "teachers."

How awful when kids are "taught" History -- and all about gummint -- in sKKKools owned operated and staffed by gummint!]