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Islam's Other Victims: India
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | November 18, 2002 | Serge Trifkovic

Posted on 11/18/2002 5:39:26 AM PST by SJackson

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1 posted on 11/18/2002 5:39:26 AM PST by SJackson
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This is about the saddest thing to read on a Monday morning. The jihadist must be defeated. The problems with the Hindus was that they belived that the moslems were rational. That is the same exact point of view parts of our population has with Islam - Islam is not rational. Muslims are not rational beings. They have submitted themselves into the murderous cult of Islam.
2 posted on 11/18/2002 5:59:30 AM PST by USMMA_83
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To: TonyRo76
And what happens if one of those "good muslems" has a tragedy in his life? A son with MS , loss of his wife to cancer or car wreck, loses all his worldly possessions in a fire, etc? I have a good idea what most Christians and Jews would do in that case : Either turn to God or turn against Him, but in neither case would their religion tell them that they are required to support the subordination of state to religion, and that they are entitled to kill or enslave all neighbors not sharing their religious affiliation. And that's what makes any and all muslems in the west so dangerous ....even the socalled 'good" ones, the doctors and engineers and fellow NRA members and so forth whom so many freepers like to laud on FR.
4 posted on 11/18/2002 6:12:04 AM PST by kaylar
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To: SJackson
btttttt
6 posted on 11/18/2002 6:30:34 AM PST by dennisw
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To: keri; swarthyguy; dennisw; AM2000
Islam ping...
7 posted on 11/18/2002 6:30:51 AM PST by USMMA_83
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Alouette; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
8 posted on 11/18/2002 6:33:23 AM PST by SJackson
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To: USMMA_83
"The problems with the Hindus was that they belived that the moslems were rational. That is the same exact point of view parts of our population has with Islam - Islam is not rational. Muslims are not rational beings."

But, but, but, but.....I thought Islam was a religion of peace < sarcasm>.

Islam is simply an evil philosophy--not terribly different from Communism and National Socialism.

9 posted on 11/18/2002 6:39:30 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: TonyRo76
No, no, no! I wasn't refering to your post at all! I was trying to build on your original observation re:the sickness of Islam (with which I wholeheartedly agree,) and to try to elucidate exactly why Islam is so sick and dangerous, and take a little sideswipe at the freepers who are constantly posting cr*p here like,"I don't think Islam is dangerous because my doctor is a muslim and bla bla blah". These freepers actually seem to think the EU gang rapes, the Ausrtalian gang rapes, the Sudan slave raids, the Molluccan massacres, the years (or centuries?) of Islamic terrorism, FGM, sharia law, and heaven knows what else are all cancelled out by one, count 'em, ONE nice guy they know who's a muslim. And as you pointed out, muslim nice guys are so in spite of their religion, not because of it.

And don't even get me started on the (expletives deleted) who think Islam is a "beautiful" religion that "honors" women and family (by enslaving women and inflicting FGM, oh yeah, that really makes it a 'beautiful' religion!)

10 posted on 11/18/2002 6:43:52 AM PST by kaylar
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It's OK to kill non-Muslims': radical cleric
Segments of taped messages have been posted on Web site

Michael Petrou

The Ottawa Citizen

LONDON -- A radical London-based Muslim cleric has been caught on film urging his followers to kill non-Muslims and commit acts of terrorism.

Tapes of Sheik Abu Hamza, a cleric affiliated with London's Finsbury Park mosque, telling an audience that non-believers should be killed or sold into slavery have been smuggled onto the Internet.

The tapes, which appear to have been made for propaganda purposes, were allegedly given by Mr. Hamza to a researcher who posed as a supporter and infiltrated his inner circle.

"If a kafir person (non-believer) goes in a Muslim country, he is like a cow. Anybody can take him. That is the Islamic law," Mr. Hamza says on one tape.

"If a kafir is walking by and you catch him, he's booty. You can sell him in the market. Most of them are spies. And even if they don't do anything, if Muslims cannot take them and sell them in the market, you just kill them. It's OK."

Mr. Hamza also praises the al-Qaeda bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed 224 people.

"If Muslims are having a war against these people, than yes, it is legitimate," he says.

He then praised attacks against ships from non-Muslim countries: "If a ship which loses its way and comes to a Muslim land, they'll take it as booty."

A terrorist attack in 2000 on the USS Cole killed 17 American sailors. The attack has been linked to Muslim militants in Britain, but Mr. Hamza has never been charged.

Despite accusations he recruits for al-Qaeda, Mr. Hamza's only punishment in Britain has been a High Court order banning him from preaching at the Finsbury Park mosque. However, when the Citizen visited the mosque several weeks ago, worshippers had his phone number handy.

"It's all fabrication. He's just taking clips and taking it out of context, as usual," Mr. Hamza said last night when asked about the videos.

He scoffed at suggestions the tapes may lead to his arrest.

He said he can't be accused of inciting people to commit violent acts because he's a cleric who only preaches Muslim law. "I say the reality that's in the Muslim books anyway. Whether I say it or not, it's in the books."

The sheik, who was born in Egypt and grew up in England, then alluded to more violence -- using language similar to that used by Osama bin Laden.

"Just as non-Muslim blood is hot, Muslim blood is hot, too," he said. "It's for them to worry about. When they kill, they will be killed."

Other videos show British Muslims fighting in what appears to be Bosnia, bragging about killing Serbs and carrying out a holy war with other Muslims from all over the world, including Canada.

In one tape, a British medical student, who says his name is Abu Ibrahim, is shown holding a Kalashnikov machine-gun and mocking Muslims whose only contribution to jihad is to donate money to an Islamic charity.

"What we lack are Muslims that are prepared to suffer and sacrifice," he says.

Somewhat bizarrely, Mr. Ibrahim then says fighting a holy war isn't too tough.

"People think that when you come to Bosnia, you sit and there are shells falling around you," he says. "They don't know that we have kebabs. They don't know that we have ice cream and cakes here. ... They don't know that this is a nice holiday for us."

Mr. Ibrahim's speech then becomes gruesome.

"You see the Serbs, the same people that raped our brothers and sisters. You see their dead bodies lying around in the hundreds. You feel that you've achieved something."

Segments of the videos are posted on the Internet at www.johnathangaltfilms.com .

© Copyright 2002 The Ottawa Citizen

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12 posted on 11/18/2002 6:53:35 AM PST by kaylar
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Don't miss my post in reply 12. Send any FR apologists to it. It's unbelievable...Why are we letting garbage like this into the west?
13 posted on 11/18/2002 6:54:56 AM PST by kaylar
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To: TonyRo76
Btw, if my doc were a Muslim, I'd look into finding a new doc really quick! Don't know that I'd willingly entrust my health to someone whose religion teaches that I'm a hellbound "infidel."

I agree. I took my son to an eye doctor years ago. The doctor ended up being almost Rabid Muslem. We had just moved here and everyone was telling me what a good doctor he was. My son had an eye infection that needed attention. In the long run he was the perfect doctor to see. We had lived in Morocco for two years and my son had a chronic eye infection, always flairing up. He looked and said, " I have seen this where I come from but haven't seen it here." I told him we had lived in Morocco. so he knew what we were dealing with. It was something he had picked up there. The doctors here didn't recognize it so they would treat it and it would go dorment and flair up again. It was treated with about three different eye drops and cleared up and never came back. I was impressed and thanks God for sending us to him. I still do since my son could have lost his eyesight had it not been diagnosed) I didn't have a problem but only went that one time them once for a follow up, but had a neighbor who went and was wearing a cross and got a lecture about how Jesus wasn't the son of God and how Mohammad and Allah were the only true religion.. Then I heard of another having a problem with him preaching to them when they went to have their eyes checked. We didn't go back and this was 25 years ago. He still has a practice but I don't know how he stays in business since he had allienated so many people over the years.

14 posted on 11/18/2002 7:10:26 AM PST by Texas Mom
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15 posted on 11/18/2002 7:11:02 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: USMMA_83
Nowadays, the Indian equivalent of political correctness downplays Moslem misdeeds because Moslems are an "oppressed minority" in majority-Hindu India. And Indian leftist intellectuals always blame India first and hate their own Hindu civilization, just as their equivalents at Berkeley blame American and the West.

He will be very correct with one minor correction. Indian leftist intellectuals do not have equivalents anywhere in the world. Indian leftists are more morally bankrupt than Berkeleyite types, for the Berkleyites do not have thousands of years of "hindu kush" to change or whitewash.

Can there be a more bitter, self-hating and stupid creature than an Indian leftist "intellectual"? (and I detest the American left.)

17 posted on 11/18/2002 8:10:55 AM PST by keri
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Indian mathematicians discovered the number zero (not to mention other things, like algebra, that were later transmitted to a Moslem world which mistaken has received credit for them.)

Is this right?

18 posted on 11/18/2002 8:15:33 AM PST by Incorrigible
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100% correct. If you like Mathematics, read "Vedic Mathematics". Over 1000-2000 year old book, with algebra and geometry theorems written in poetry.
19 posted on 11/18/2002 8:19:55 AM PST by USMMA_83
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To: keri
Could be true. We meet this couple from Calcutta at parties during Christmas. Complete apologists. Not a back-bone between the two.
20 posted on 11/18/2002 8:21:34 AM PST by USMMA_83
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