Your challenge seeks to take advantage of the fact that the informational well has been poisoned by busy fingers ever since 1965, when Lyndon Johnson, in the fulfillment of his potential for cosmic wickedness, deliberately opened the floodgates because his fellow Southerners wouldn't "vote right".
If there are reliable figures anywhere, let's have them. But you know as well as I, how hard the Democrats and the Business Wing of the GOP have been working to conceal the extent of the invasion.
I know they are here, you don't need to convince me that there are illegal aliens here. But you said that several million got in in 2001, and that "open borders" stuff has been going on forever (it didn't begin after Bush took office), so I guess there must be thirty or forty million of them here.
My own guess is about 30,000,000, extrapolating from population increases in Texas and California.
Now, when you DO post that stat, ask yourself how the group or individual that you will be quoting could possibly know how many people we don't know about are here.
There, you did it again, pointing to the absence of evidence (good numbers) as evidence of absence: a fallacy. You're so busy being cute, you don't even care that your argument is intellectually corrupt and morally questionable, given the attendant consequences.
Nan is entitled, in the absence of good data, to attempt her own working estimate, particularly since the people who have real numbers don't want to play, but only to estimate into existence legions of "ghost citizens" who are entitled to representation in Congress, so that minoritarian Congressional districts already have fewer voting citizens in them than any others -- IOW, the people in these districts are already overrepresented
If you don't want to contribute, if you don't want to help, fine. But please refrain from disingenuously taunting someone who is trying to discuss it seriously.
Well, since Lyndon's folly, there have been eight years of Nixon/Ford, eight years of Reagan, four years Bush I, and four years of Bush II (I'm guessing eight), as opposed to four years of Carter, and eight years of Clinton (thanks to Perot). There was the Reagan revolution, and now the Dems have no control over any aspect of the Federal government, no leader, no message, and no direction.
How's Lyndon's plan doing so far?
"If there are reliable figures anywhere, let's have them. But you know as well as I, how hard the Democrats and the Business Wing of the GOP have been working to conceal the extent of the invasion."
I'm not wasting my time, you don't WANT to believe anything other than what you already believe.
I will believe the figures posted by the Border Patrol and the INS, long before I believe anything posted by anyone calling this an "invasion"...in and of itself, that shows a bias.
"My own guess is about 30,000,000, extrapolating from population increases in Texas and California."
Well thank you for that, why not make it 100 million, or a gizzillion!!!
My guess is about 5 million, roughly 50% of them being Mexicans.
"There, you did it again, pointing to the absence of evidence (good numbers) as evidence of absence: a fallacy. You're so busy being cute, you don't even care that your argument is intellectually corrupt and morally questionable, given the attendant consequences."
My argument is intellectually corrupt?
You guess that Lyndon Johnson set into motion a plan to impact the vote in the US, and that he did it in order to positively impact the Democrats, yet since 1965, Republicans have enjoyed many more victories than Democrats, all along the board. Take a look at the general make-up of government BEFORE Lyndon brought in immigrants to strenghten his party.
"If you don't want to contribute, if you don't want to help, fine. But please refrain from disingenuously taunting someone who is trying to discuss it seriously."
LOL!!!!!
This from the guy who "guesses" at the number of illegals in the country!!!
LOL!!!!
BTW, IF there are so many illegals in the country, AND they are here to help the Democrats stay in power, then why is it that with the exception of California, the States with the biggest illegal immigrant problems have largely conservative elected officials?