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To: eno_
If you mean that American Jews have divided sympathies, that is almost certainly correct, but only among a minority of them.

Agreed. If you read my original post, you'll see that's exactly the point I was trying to make.

You are making an elaborate and oblique argument that rests on American Jews being directly comparable to American Moslems. If you can't tell the differnce, what can you be told?

No, honestly, I cannot tell the difference, and I don't think the comparison is terribly oblique. Ethnic and religious groups in the United States certainly have ties to other places, but time and time again, when they've been forced to choose between supporting their origins and supporting the United States, the overwhelming majority has chosen the US. I don't think its an accident, and I don't think American Muslims are exceptions to that rule. Regardless of their race or religion, the people who emigrate to the US do so because they want to become Americans. That's true with Muslims too.

62 posted on 11/21/2002 5:36:20 PM PST by andy_card
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To: andy_card
No, honestly, I cannot tell the difference, and I don't think the comparison is terribly oblique. Ethnic and religious groups in the United States certainly have ties to other places, but time and time again, when they've been forced to choose between supporting their origins and supporting the United States, the overwhelming majority has chosen the US. I don't think its an accident, and I don't think American Muslims are exceptions to that rule. Regardless of their race or religion, the people who emigrate to the US do so because they want to become Americans. That's true with Muslims too.

You are confusing first-world and third-world reasons for being in the U.S. Many - probably most - Moslems are here for their own benefit, not because they find the ideals of the U.S. in line with their own. Again, I have to ask: Did you read any of the Web sites of the "moderate" Moslem groups you cited? Can you honestly call CAIR "moderate?" Read the sites: it's all about how the West afflicts the poor Moslems. I defy you to find ANYTHING on any of those sites that might indicate even 10% of Moslems in the U.S. would vote Republican much less the 70% hallucination EROCC has going on.

These people are not a benefit to the nation. UNLIKE the large numbers of non-Moslem Eastern European and Asian immigrants Moslems in general and Arabs actively reject our cultural and governmental heritage. They have not benefitted our economy - I know more than two dozen Indian, Chinese and Russian immigrant millionares that between them employ thousands of Americans, but not a single Arab that has made a similar contribution.

"Moderate" Islam is a sham and a lie.

71 posted on 11/22/2002 6:32:52 AM PST by eno_
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