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To: far sider
Dinosaurs probably were on the ark. There ya go.

Care to explain your point of view?

I had a Christian friend (Some kind of hardcore Chrstianity where EVERYTHING in the bible was LITERALLY true) that said the dinousaurs were just big animals. Since people lived for hundreds of years back then (I guess the bible says this somewhere), so did the animals...So they grew bigger. Of course, I never asked him what happen to all these giant people...

He also had an intersting theory about the moon...He said because of the rate of dust falling on the moon suposedly being X over the years, we had prepared for about 3 foot of dust being on the surface...But when we got there, there was only inches...This was because the world really WAS only about 7000 years old.

He also explains carbon dating and other such "Proof" of a VERY old earth as being God's way of giving us stuff to think about.

Great guy...But I just can't buy all that stuff. Again, that's why they call it "Faith", I guess.

72 posted on 11/22/2002 1:41:16 PM PST by Johnny Shear
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
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73 posted on 11/22/2002 1:45:34 PM PST by BureaucratusMaximus
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To: Johnny Shear
Johnny, Briefly. I am a Christian. I am also a Chemical Engineer. Now that doesn't make me a scientist, but I do know the difference between science and religion. I believe there is a scientific case to be made for the following statements: 1) The earth is relatively young (10,000 years or so rather than 4.5 billion years). 2) Living organisms are too complex to have evolved. 3) Human beings did not evolve from lower lifeforms. 4) A catastrophic event (involving flooding and volcanic activity) affected the earth in a global scale, which creationists call the Flood.

Before the Flood, our environment was much different (higher oxygen content, higher barometric pressure, etc.) which allowed for longer lives and supported the growth of larger animals and plants. (In the fossil record many animals were much larger in the past: sloths, bears, elephants, carnivores (like the saber-tooth tiger), etc. How many dragon flies do you see flying around with 2-3 foot wingspans nowadays? I recall reading that pteranodons and pteradactyls could not function in an modern-type environment. If dinosaurs survived the Flood, they likely became extinct shortly thereafter. However, for example if crocodiles had become extinct, they would probably have been considered a type of dinosaur, even though fossil crocodiles are even larger that the largest ones today.

Since people lived for hundreds of years back then (I guess the bible says this somewhere), Yes. Genesis, chapter 5 and elsewhere. so did the animals...So they grew bigger. Of course, I never asked him what happen to all these giant people...Cro-magnons and Neandertals were significantly larger and more robust that the average modern human. The Hiedelberg Skull (a well-known human fossil) practically is a giant, IIRC.

He also had an intersting theory about the moon...He said because of the rate of dust falling on the moon suposedly being X over the years, we had prepared for about 3 foot of dust being on the surface...But when we got there, there was only inches...This was because the world really WAS only about 7000 years old. There are dozens of very good evidences for a young earth/universe. These have to do with the salt content of the oceans, helium content in the atmosphere, the rate of shrinkage of the sun, the rate of recession of the moon, and even the proximity of galaxies to each other.

He also explains carbon dating and other such "Proof" of a VERY old earth as being God's way of giving us stuff to think about.Carbon 14 dating really only goes back several thousand years is best used to date things like wood or dead (but not fossilized) tissues, not fossils. Other dating methods are based on circular reasoning and assumptions of initial concentrations of isotopes that are just guesses.

There are good websites you can check out that can explain it better than I can. Try www.icr.org or www.answersingenesis.org.

88 posted on 11/22/2002 2:36:51 PM PST by far sider
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