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How We Got Fluoridated
Stop Fluoridation USA ^ | Unknown | Philip Heggen

Posted on 11/22/2002 7:33:34 PM PST by FormerLurker

 
 
 
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How We Got Fluoridated

by Philip Heggen

Preface

Throughout the world, and from the beginning, virtually all living creatures have been exposed to fluoride. It's nothing new. Fluoride is one of the most abundant elements in the earth's crust - cumulative and toxic to all forms of life at remarkably low dosage.

Sixty years ago U.S. dental researchers had identified areas in sixteen states where disfiguring mottled enamel was a serious problem. Thirty years ago, the World Health Organization had noted that high concentrations of fluoride are found in areas of every continent and that dental fluorosis is a problem from Finland to South Africa and from England to Japan.

But fluoride affects more than just developing teeth. Even dinosaurs have ingested water and vegetation contaminated by fluoride from volcanic gases and ash - and suffered the consequence in terms of painful arthritic effects.

Industrial mining and manufacturing, like mini-volcanoes, bring up fluorides from the earth into the biosphere, with similar effects on human communities. In the past century or so, man has spawned these "mini-volcanoes" without fully understanding the consequences. Modern well-drilling equipment has provided much needed water from deep within the earth - and this, too, has resulted in fluoride poisoning.

Fluoridation has not been a conspiracy in the usual sense of the word ... but rather, a colossal blunder.

"The problem is enormous, unbelievable," says Andezhath Susheela of the Fluorosis Research and Rural Development Foundation in Delhi, India. She has been unraveling the national story for a decade during which time her estimate of the number of people leading "a painful and crippled life" from fluorosis has risen from one million to 25 million and now to 60 million - six million of them children - spread across tens of thousands of communities. "In some villages three-quarters of the population are seriously affected."

This paper is a chronicle and overview spanning the history of modern industry. It shows the rise of fluoride pollution and how economic motives have overridden concerns for human health. We take you back to the early metal refinery pollution in Europe and show the record of lawsuits for fluoride damage. This reveals the basis for American industry's fear of being shut down by lawsuits. We also document the steps taken by industry to divert public attention away from fluoride air pollution. This chronicle shows that the origin of water fluoridation is in these fluoride fears of industry -- not in concern for children's teeth.

During the 1940s, the development of the atom bomb required handling huge amounts of fluoride in the production of nuclear weapons. Documented here is a major safety study by the Atomic Energy Commission. As a result of this extensive study, the federal government became involved in the suppression of information about fluoride poisoning. Formerly restricted government documents now made available under the Freedom of Information Act have filled in blank spaces in this chronology.

Thus, both big government and big industry, for different reasons, became involved in the cover up. The succeeding collaboration of industry and government is documented below in detail.

The difficulties in maintaining a deception over an extended time are sizable. This is especially true with an ongoing issue like fluoridation. A compounding of dishonest statements and actions is required to maintain the original deception. At a certain point, the truth of the situation becomes obvious. These consequences are now coming to bear on the defenders of fluoridation. The Epilogue deals with this coming confrontation.

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To: FormerLurker
Actually, it IS. Try to read the links provided. Top researchers, scientists, doctors, and other health professionals are ALL saying this.

All?

41 posted on 11/22/2002 8:42:03 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: FormerLurker
Yeah, I glanced at the studies and I think their methodology is flawed. For instance, that Finnish study that measured hip fractures among elderly women who lived at the same address between 1967 and 1980. They based the flouride levels they quoted on...what? Did they measure the flouride levels periodically over the whole 13 year period? Did they take into consideration what flouride levels the women were or were not injesting prior to that time? Did they take into consideration their early childhood nutrition? Their levels of physical activity during their adolescent years? Their levels of calcium intake from childhood through early adulthood? Are hip fractures among women of a certain age group in the present day occurring at a higher or lower frequency than women who belonged to the same age group prior to flouridation in that area?

Also, I noticed that most of the footnotes in that link you provided to the other study were all more than 8 years old. As a matter of fact, the newest source cited is from a 1994 article from "Health Natural", and most of those sources are from the 70's and 80's.

42 posted on 11/22/2002 8:42:38 PM PST by wimpycat
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To: Texasforever



They are made by the top medical authorities in our nation based on the latest medical research.

 

 "The American Medical Association is NOT prepared to state that no harm will be done to any person by water fluoridation. The AMA has not carried out any research work, either long-term or short-term, regarding the possibility of any side effects." - Dr. Flanagan, Assistant Director of Environmental Health, American Medical Association. [actual letter]

"Based on data from the National Academy of Sciences, current levels of fluoride exposure in drinking water may cause arthritis in a substantial portion of the population long before they reach old age" -Dr. Robert Carton, former EPA Scientist.

"Fluorides are general protoplasmic poisons, probably because of their capacity to modify the metabolism of cells by changing the permeability of the cell membrane and by inhibiting certain enzyme systems." Journal of the American Medical Association, Sept 18, 1943

Segments of the population are unusually susceptible to the toxic effects of fluoride. They include "postmenopausal women and elderly men, pregnant woman and their fetuses, people with deficiencies of calcium, magnesium and/or vitamin C, and people with cardiovascular and kidney problems." United States Public Health Service Report (ATSDR TP-91/17, pg. 112, Sec.2.7, April 1993)

"fluoride exposure, at levels that are experienced by a significant proportion of the population whose drinking water is fluoridated, may have adverse impacts on the developing brain." Greater Boston Physicians for Social Responsibility, May 2000

"It is now clear that fluoride is a potentially harmful substance when present in the drinking water in any amount." Dr. Simon Beisler, Chief of Urlogy, Roosevelt Hospital and Past President of the American Urological Association.

"The plain fact that fluorine is an insidious poison harmful, toxic and cumulative in its effects, even when ingested in minimal amounts, will remain unchanged no matter how many times it will be repeated in print that fluoridation of the water supply is 'safe.'" Dr. Ludgwig Grosse, Chief of Cancer Research, U.S. Veterans Administration.

In Harlem, NY, which has been fluoridated for 32 years, "There's more dental decay among these kids; we see the beginning of inflamed gingivitis in their mouths." American Dental Association, May 2000

"The CDA emphasizes that the need for fluoride depends on overall exposure, including place of residence, diet and oral health habits. and "The CDA recognizes the need to continue to monitor studies on fluoride and general health." Canadian Dental Association, May, 2000

"Fluoride has been shown to adversely effect the central nervous system, causing behavioral changes, increased hip fractures and reproduction problems." Natick Report Research Team
[Research Microbiologist, U.S. Army, Dr. B. J. Gallo, Environmental Chemist, J. Kupperschmidt Apollo Program Project Scientist, Dr. N.R. Mancuso, U.S. Army Natick Research Labs, A. Murray, Molecular Biologist, Dr. Strauss]

"I am appalled at the prospect of using water as a vehicle for drugs. Fluoride is a corrosive poison that will produce serious effects on a long range basis. Any attempt to use water this way is deplorable." - Dr. Charles Gordon Heyd, Past President of the American Medical Association.

"fluoridation ... it is the greatest fraud that has ever been perpetrated and it has been perpetrated on more people than any other fraud has." - Dr. Professor Albert Schatz, (Microbiology), co-discoverer of Streptomycin, the cure for tuberculosis and numerous other bacterial infections.

Fluoride may be destroying our bones, our teeth and overall health.. it doesn't need to be added to our water and we may be taking unnecessary risks by doing so. - Dr. Hardy Limeback, a leading Canadian fluoride authority, former fluoride advocate and long-standing consultant to Canadian Dental Association. (read his rationale)

"The evidence against the safety of this public health policy keeps mounting; it is too compelling to ignore." - Dr. Phyllis Mullenix, Children's Hospital, Boston

"By 1983 I was thoroughly convinced that fluoridation caused more harm than good. I expressed the opinion that some of these children with dental fluorosis could, just possibly, have also suffered harm to their bones" - Dr. Colquhoun, former Principal Dental Officer for Auckland New Zealand. (read his rationale)

".. the evidence is quite convincing that the addition of sodium fluoride to the public water supply at one part per million is extremely deleterious to the human body". - Chief Justice John Flaherty, of the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania (presided over litigation involving fluoridation)

"This record is barren of any credible and reputable scientific epidemiological studies and/or analysis of statistical data which would support the Illinois Legislatures determination that fluoridation of the water supplies is both a safe and effective means of promoting public health." - Illinois Judge Ronald Niemann (presided over litigation involving fluoridation)

"the artificial fluoridation of public water supplies, such as contemplated by (Houston) City ordinance No. 80-2530 may cause or may contribute to the cause of cancer, genetic damage, intolerant reactions, and chronic toxicity, including dental mottling, in man; that the said artificial fluoridation may aggravate malnutrition and existing illnesses in man; and that the value of said artificial fluoridation is in doubt as to the reduction of tooth decay in man." - Texas Judge Anthony Farris (presided over litigation involving fluoridation)

"E.P.A. should act immediately to protect the public, not just on the cancer data, but on the evidence of bone fractures, arthritis, mutagenicity and other effects." - Dr. William Marcus, Senior Toxicologist at E.P.A.

In 1996, there were approximately 340,000 hospital admissions for hip fractures in the United States. Women sustain 75 percent-80 percent of all hip fractures. Medicare costs for hip fractures were estimated at $2.9 billion in 1991. Centers for Disease Control

"About one-half of the people with hip fractures end up in nursing homes, and in the year following the fracture, 20 per cent of them die." Harold Slavkin, Director of National Institute of Dental Research (JADA 1999)

"..fluoride damages bone even at levels added to public drinking water" American Journal of Epidemiology, October 1999

"Since 1990, five major epidemiological studies from three countries-the United States, United Kingdom and France-- showing a higher rate of hip fractures in fluoridated regions.." Australian & New Zealand Journal of Public Health, 1997 vol. 21 no. 24

"..significant increase in the risk of hip fracture in both men and women exposed to artificial fluoridation at 1 ppm." Journal of the American Medical Association, August 1992

"..the recommended "optimal" intake (a level that has yet to be determined scientifically)." Journal of the American Dental Association, Dec. 1995

"Water contains a number of substances that are undesirable, and fluorides are just one of them" stated Dr. F. A. Bull, State Dental Director of Wisconsin, speaking at the Fourth Annual Conference of State Dental Directors.

Hundreds of millions of dollars may be wasted annually on children's fluoride treatments by dentists. Typically given once or twice a year at routine checkups, the treatments do nothing to reduce cavities in kids, says a study of insurance records. Journal of Public Health Dentistry

In June of 1999, the Majority Chairman of the Environmental Resources Committee, Pennsylvania House of Representatives stated ".. there is no solid scientific or medical evidence to show that fluoridation is of any beneficial help to public health, safety or welfare."

The former editor of the Journal of the American Medical Association said he often received telephone calls from irate AMA members and letters from state medical societies and AMA officers "threatening political action against the editor and the Journal for publishing what offended them ideologically, or more likely imposed on (physicians') ability to earn money." (article) - Mr. Lundberg, editor of JAMA for 17 years

 "That the artificial fluoridation of public water supplies, such as is contemplated by [Houston] City Ordinance No. 80-2530, may cause or may contribute to the cause of cancer, genetic damage, intolerant reactions, and chronic toxicity, including dental mottling, in man; that the said artificial fluoridation may aggravate malnutrition and existing illnesses in man; and that the value of said artificial fluoridation is in doubt as to the reduction of tooth decay in man." - Judge Farris, presiding judge in a case involving the fluoridation of Houston's water.

The Washington Bureau editor of AD Impact, the monthly publication of the Academy of General Dentistry, wrote last year that supporters of fluoridation have had an "unwillingness to release any information that would cast fluorides in a negative light," and that organized dentistry has lost "its objectivity - the ability to consider varying viewpoints together with scientific data to reach a sensible conclusion."

"All of the organizations promoting water fluoridation agree that dental fluorosis, which is the first visible sign of systemic poisoning, increases with water fluoride levels." Dr. Kennedy, Past President of International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology and a practicing Dentist for 20 years.

These are strong, deliberate statements. They are made by the top medical authorities in our nation based on the latest medical research. Their voices are not alone, look at a partial list of dentists & medical doctors, Environmental Protection Agency Scientists and even a number of State Dental Directors are critical of the benefits.

 

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Esteemed Voices have, for 50 years, warned
the American public that water fluoridation
has dangerous long-term consequences to health

 
"I am appalled at the prospect of using water as a vehicle for drugs. Fluoride is a corrosive poison that will produce serious effects on a long range basis. Any attempt to use water this way is deplorable."
Dr. Charles Gordon Heyd,
Past President of the American Medical Association.


"fluoridation ... it is the greatest fraud that has ever been perpetrated and it has been perpetrated on more people than any other fraud has. "
Professor Albert Schatz, Ph.D. (Microbiology),
Co-Discoverer of streptomycin

Join voices with the following medical professionals
who see fluoride as a health hazard.

William Marcus, Ph.D., D.A.B.T. (Toxicology), former U.S. EPA, Senior Science Advisor, Office of Drinking Water.*
Albert W. Burgstahler, PH.D. (Organic Chem, Environ. Fluoride)
Robert J. Carton, Ph.D. (Environ. Sciences and Risk Assessment).
Paul Connett, Ph.D. (Environmental Chemistry and Toxicology).
Richard Foulkes, M.D., fmr. Consult. to Health Minstr., BC, Canada

J. William Hirzy, Ph.D. (Chem and Risk Assess) Sr.VP, NFFE,EPA
Robert L. Isaacson, Ph.D. (Neurobehavioral Science). Dist. Prof.
Prof. David C. Kennedy, D.D.S., Inter. Acad. Oral Med. and Toxicology.
Harold D. Kletschka, M.D., F.A.C.S.(finr. Chair. of Bio-Medicus,Inc)
Lennart Krook, D.V.M., Ph.D. (Pathology) Cornell Univ.and NYSC.

Richard A. Kunin, MD., Pres., Soc. for Orthomolecular Hlth.Medicine
Gene W. Miller, Ph.D. (Biochemistry and Toxicology).
Phyllis Mullenix, Ph.D. (Pharmacology and Neurotoxicology)
John Colquhoun, BDS, MPhIL Ph.D., DipEd., Prin. Dent. Ofc. NZ.
John A.Yiamouyiannis, Ph.D. (Biochemistry)

A. K. Susheela, Ph.D., F.A.Sc., F.A.M.S. (Histocryochemistry)
Benedict J. Gallo, Ph.D.(Botany). Research Mcrobiologist.
Norman R. Mancuso,Ph.D. (Chemistry) Apollo Project Scientist.
Andrew Berna-Ificks, Hazardous Substance Engineer, Cal EPA.
Jason Kupperschmidt, B.C. (Chem. Engr)

Rudolph Ziegelbecker, Ph.D. (Phys.) Inst. of Environ Hlth.Austria
M.A. Krikker M.D., Hemochromatosis Found, Albany, N.Y.
Dean Burk, Ph.D. (Biochemistry) former Senior Chemist and
Director Cytochemistry Section, National Cancer Institute.
Harold Warner, Prof Of Research; Chief, Biomedical Engineer Div.

Sheila L. M. Gibson, M.D., B.Sc., M.F. Hom. (Research Physician)
James B. Patrick, Ph.D. (Chemistry) , Antibiotics Research.
I. R. B. Mann, Senior Lecturer in Environ. Studies, U. of Auckland.
Bruce J. Spittle, Ph.D., Psycho. Med., U. of Otago Med. Sch., NZ
George L. Waldbott, MD., fndr. Inter Soc for Fl. Res. and J. Fluoride

Alfred Taylor, Ph.D, Research Scientist, Clayton Fnd. Biochem. Inst.
Ludwik Gross, M.D, fmr Chief of Cancer Res. Vet. Admin, N.Y.
Dr. Daniel Zaskin, Chf. Diagnostician, Columbia Sch of Dental Surg.
Geoffrey E. Smith, L.D.S., R.C.S. Dental Surgeon.
Philip R- N. Sutton, D.D.Sc., L.D.S., F.R.A.C.D.S.

Brian A. Dementi~ Ph.D. (Biochemistry and Toxicology)
John P. Flaherty, Chief Justice, Supreme Court of Pennsylvania
Simon Beisler, M.D., Chief of Urology, Roosevelt Hosp. N.Y.
Fred Squier, M.D., Head of Oral Surgery, Lenox Hill Hosp. N.Y.
John Garlock, M.D., Consulting Surgeon, Mt. Sinai Hosp. N.Y.

Edgar A. Lawrence, M.D., Dir. of Medicine, Lenox Hill
Girard F. Oberrender, M.D., Dir. of Otolaryngology, Lenox Hill
Frederick B. Exner, M.D. Fellow of the Am. Coll. Of Radiology.
Charles C. Bass, M.D., Dean Emeritus, Tulane Univ. Med. Sch.
Alton Ochsner, M.D., head, Dept of Surgery, Tulane Univ. Med. Sch.

Alfred I Murray, M.S.T. (Chemistry).
Mark Diesendorf, Ph-D. (Mathematics).
John J. Miller, Ph.D. (Biochemistry)
Paul I-L Phillips, Ph.D. (Biochemistry)
Kaj Roholm, M.D., Ph.D. (Biochemistry)

Hubert A. Arnold, Ph.D. (Math) UCDavis
James W. Benfield, A.B., D.D.S., F.A.C.D.
Eugene Peterson, Ph.D. (Chem.Engr.) UCB.
Cornelius Steelink, Prof Erner. Chem.
John Thomson, Ph.D. (Biochemistry)

D. Skinner, B. Sc., MD. C.A.F.C.I.
Richard Marrus, Ph.D. (Physics) UCBerkely
Laura Nader, Ph.D. (Anthropology)UCB
D. W. Hanson, Ph.D. (Chem. Engr.)UCB
C. J. King, Ph.D. (Chem. Engr.)UCB

J. B. Neilands, Ph.D. (Biochemistry)UCB
Giovanni Ames, Ph.D. (Biochem.) UCB
John R. Lee, M.D. (Physician)
J. C. Smart, Ph-D. (Chemistry) UCB
Gerard F. Judd, Ph.D. (Chemistry)
Gerson Jacobs, MD.
Michael F. Ziff, D.D.S..
Harvey Petraborg, MD.

Robert I H. Mick, D.D.S. E. R- Cooper, M.D.
C. T. Betts, D.D.S.
I E. Waters, D.D.S.
Allen London, D.D.S.
Edward A. McLaughlin, M.D.

Philip E. Zafagna, M.D.
George W. Heard, D.D.S.
Charles Dillon, D.D.S., L.D.S.
S. Leslie A. Russell, D.M.D. (dentist)
Casimir R. Sheft, D.D.S.

Jonathan Forman, M.D.
Ross Pringle, D.D.S.
A. B. MacWhimiie, D.D.S.
A.C. Baumann, D.D.S.
Kirk Youngman, D.M.D.

L. A. Alesen, M.D.
Paul W. Sheeran, D.M.D.
Thomas F. Evans, D.D.S.
Robert Davis, D.D.S.
William I Filante, MD.

Joyal W. Taylor, D.D.S.
Michael Ohnstad, D.D.S.
Sheridan B. Manasen, D.D.S
Scott McAdoo, D.D.S.
Tony Lees, B.D.S. Dentl Surgn

Frederick W. Howe, D.D.S.
Ellsworth D. Foreman, D.M.D.
Robert D. Stephan, D.D.S.
Carl Mestman, D.D.S.
Hans Moolenburgh, M.D.

Peter Mansfield, M.D.
William F. Corell, M.D.
F. Logan Stanfield, M.D.
Julian Whitaker, MD.
Robert C. Atkins, M.D.

James A. Paar, M.D.
Kenneth H. Rudolph, M.D.
Jonathan Wright M.D.
John McDougall, MD.
Steven M. Rachlin, M.D.

John R. Lilliendahl, Jr. D.D.S.
Hal A. Huggins, D.D.S.
Herbert H. Robinson, D.D.S.
James P. Hammond, MD.
Philip Sukel, D.D.S.

Deloss E. Winkler, Ph.D. (Chem.)
Andrew Weil, M.D., Health Advocate
Thomas M. DeStefimo, A.B., D.D.S.
Harlee S.Strauss, Ph.D. (Molecular Biology)
Geoffrey Dobbs, Ph.D. (Botony) A.R.C.S.

Frederick I. Scott, B.E., M.S., Chem. Engr.
Thomas D. Hinesly, Prof. of Soil Ecology
Roy E. Hanford, MD. (Phys. and Surgeon)
Stanley Monteith, MD., ret. Ortho. Surgeon.
G. A. Samotjoi, Ph.D. (Chemistry) UCB

Henry Cheung, Ph.D. (Chem. Engr.)Alexis T Bell, Ph.D. (Chem. Engr.)UCB

* Above affiliations are listed for identifications purposes only and do not imply institution endorsement

Some related links:

The Fluoride Controversy

Respected Medical Professionals and Scientists are warning that water fluoridation has dangerous long-term health consequences.


Fluoride is naturally occurring in most water supplies in this country, it always has. As a matter of fact, in many areas the concentration is many times the recommended level.

Fluoride is a toxin, so ANY amount is too much. Those areas that DO have naturally occuring fluoride in their water supply DO also have children with statistically significant lower IQ and develop skeletal fluorsis.

Fluoride's Neurological Effects: studies show there may be grave implications for Alzheimers, Dementia, Attention Deficit Disorder, reduced IQ in children

EFFECT OF HIGH-FLUORIDE WATER ON INTELLIGENCE IN CHILDREN

FLUORIDE AND INTELLIGENCE

Effect of a High Fluoride Water Supply on Children's Intelligence

43 posted on 11/22/2002 8:46:23 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: wimpycat
Keep reading...
44 posted on 11/22/2002 8:47:43 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: Texasforever
All?

ALL the ethical ones are...

45 posted on 11/22/2002 8:48:52 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
Yeah, I glanced at the studies and I think their methodology is flawed. For instance, that Finnish study that measured hip fractures among elderly women who lived at the same address between 1967 and 1980. They based the flouride levels they quoted on...what? Did they measure the flouride levels periodically over the whole 13 year period? Did they take into consideration what flouride levels the women were or were not injesting prior to that time? Did they take into consideration their early childhood nutrition? Their levels of physical activity during their adolescent years? Their levels of calcium intake from childhood through early adulthood? Are hip fractures among women of a certain age group in the present day occurring at a higher or lower frequency than women who belonged to the same age group prior to flouridation in that area?

Also, I noticed that most of the footnotes in that link you provided to the other study were all more than 8 years old. As a matter of fact, the newest source cited is from a 1994 article from "Health Natural", and most of those sources are from the 70's and 80's. Many of that list of quotes are from the 60's.

46 posted on 11/22/2002 8:48:57 PM PST by wimpycat
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To: Texasforever
Deaf Smith Co. has very high levels of flouride in the well water. I read somewhere that Deaf Smith Co. is where the flouride/few cavities link was first determined.
47 posted on 11/22/2002 8:49:18 PM PST by Lester Moore
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To: wimpycat
Also, I noticed that most of the footnotes in that link you provided to the other study were all more than 8 years old. As a matter of fact, the newest source cited is from a 1994 article from "Health Natural", and most of those sources are from the 70's and 80's. Many of that list of quotes are from the 60's.

Do you care to link that which you mention, or am I supposed to guess?

48 posted on 11/22/2002 8:51:41 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
Address the methodology concerns I mentioned in my last post...

49 posted on 11/22/2002 8:52:44 PM PST by wimpycat
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To: FormerLurker
I gave you the solution to avoiding fluoride. Now, if you are afraid that is your problem. I, for one, do not get up every morning what is going to kill me today. I have to wonder how the heck you even go out in public as scared as you are of everything and everyone around you. If you want to be the forum character go for it.
50 posted on 11/22/2002 8:52:59 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: wimpycat
BTW, make sure you take a good look at post #43...
51 posted on 11/22/2002 8:53:22 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
Whoops! I'm sorry. It appears the newest reference is from 1995, not 1994.
References
(Additional references are available upon request.)

  1. Foulkes, R.G. "Fluoridation: Fraud of the Century" Health Natural p.8, June-July, 1994
  2. University of Chicago Medical Center July 31, 1993 reported by CNN
  3. deaths and 5 injuries from 1 ppm fluoride injuring kidney dialysis patients.
  4. Maury Massler and Isaac Schour Journal of the American Dental Association 44:156-165 (1952)
  5. Freni SC, Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health, 42:109-121, 1994
  6. Jolly, S.S. et al. "Endemic Fluorosis in Punjab" Fluoride, Vol. 6,4-18 (1973)
  7. Jacqmin-Gadda, H. et al. Fluorine Concentrations in Drinking Water and Fractures in the Elderly JAMA Vol. 273, No. 10 March 8, 1995
  8. J. A. Albright, "The Effect of Fluoride on the Mechanical Properties of Bone," Transactions of the Annual Meeting of the Orthopedics Research Society, pp. 3, 98. (1978)
  9. Dr. Jennifer Jowsey, Comments made at the 1977 National Convention of the American Association of the Advancement of Science in Denver, Colorado.
  10. J. C. Robins and J. L. Ambrus, "Studies on Osteoporosis IX. Effect of Fluoride on Steroid Induced Osteoporosis," Research Communications inb Chemical Pathology and Pharmacology, Volume 37, No. 3, pp. 453-461 (1982)
  11. A. F. Aksyuk and G. V. Bulychev, "Physiological Effects of Small Amounts of Fluoride on the Organism," Gigiena i Sanitariya, Volume 27, No. 12, pp. 7-10 (1962)
  12. Hip Fracture rates related to Fluoridated water Journal of the American Medical Association 264(4):500-502 1990
  13. Fluoride treatment of osteoporosis causes bone fractures New England Journal of Medicine 322:802-809 1990
  14. F. J. McClure (Fluoride in the American Diet) Public Health Reps., volume 64, pp.1061 (1949)
  15. H. Spencer et al Subject (Fluoridation in Chicago Area) The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Volume 22, pp. 381 (1969)
  16. Dr. Linda Randolph "The Study of Fluoride Intake in New York Residents" 12/1/88 Dept. of Health NY
  17. Walker, Glen S. R. Fluoridation Poison on Tap Magenta Press Pty. Ltd. 40 Geddes Street Mulgrave, Victoria, Australia, 1982
  18. L. H. Fountain Congressional Hearings "The National Cancer Program (part 2.- Fluoridation of Public Drinking Water)", 95th Congress first session October 12, 1977
  19. J. D. Erickson, "Mortality in Selected Cities with Fluoridated and Non- fluoridated Water Supplies," New England Journal of Medicine, Volume 298, 1112-1116 (1978)
  20. Battelle Research Institute Primary Research Data issued February 23, 1989
  21. Marcus, W Chemical and Engineering News 1990
  22. Yiamouyiannis, J "NIDR study shows no relationship between fluoridation and tooth decay rate" American Laboratory 5/89
  23. Colquhoun, J. Community Dentistry and Oral Epidemiology 13:37-41 1985
  24. Colquhoun, J. Community Dentistry and Oral Epidemiology 13:37-41 1985
  25. Gray, A.S Journal of the Canadian Dental Association 53(10): 753-755 1987
  26. Dr. John Yiamouyiannis statement both in his book (Fluoride the Aging Factor" pub Health Action Press 2nd ed 1986 )and during debates has not been challenged by the ADA or others
  27. Ziegelbecker D. Fluoride 14; 123-128 1981
  28. Diesendorf M. Nature Vol. 322 10 July 1986
  29. Op cit.
  30. op cit.
  31. Colquhoun J. Fluoride Vol. 23 #3 July 90
  32. Colquhoun J. Community Health Studies 11:85-90 1987
  33. McClure, Frank Water Fluoridation, The Search and the Victory HEW 1970
  34. EPA FED REG VOL. 50, #220, THURSDAY NOV. 14, 1985
  35. Otomi Indians in Mexico have no cavities New York State Dental Journal 24:63 1958
  36. Bedouins in Israel suffer little decay Journal of Dental Research 47:407 1968
  37. Feltman R., Kosel, G., Prenatal and Postnatal ingestion of Fluorides - - Fourteen years of investigation - Final Report Journal of Dental Medicine 16:190 Oct. 1961
  38. Dean Burk Chief Chemist Emeritus U.S. National cancer Institute.

 End: Fluoridation A 50-Year Old Blunder And Cover-Up 

 

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52 posted on 11/22/2002 8:55:57 PM PST by wimpycat
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To: Texasforever
I gave you the solution to avoiding fluoride. Now, if you are afraid that is your problem.

It goes beyond that. We are being told that a highly toxic, reactive poison is actually GOOD for us. That's like saying eating lead paint is GOOD for you, and you should sprikle lead paint chips and dust into your food...

53 posted on 11/22/2002 8:56:06 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: wimpycat
Address the methodology concerns I mentioned in my last post...

First off, WHICH study, as there's several. Is it this one?

Fluoride in drinking water increases the risk of hip fractures in women

54 posted on 11/22/2002 8:59:55 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
Yes, that's the one. And I had a look at your post #43. I can't believe you're quoting Chinese sources.
55 posted on 11/22/2002 9:02:03 PM PST by wimpycat
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To: wimpycat
I can't believe you're quoting Chinese sources.

Out of the 99% US sources.

56 posted on 11/22/2002 9:03:29 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: wimpycat
BTW, exactly WHO out of post #43 do you disagree with?
57 posted on 11/22/2002 9:04:47 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
Look here. First of all, I'm not going to trust Chinese studies. Second of all, you still haven't addressed my methodology concerns that I mentioned. There may be some valid research mixed in, but if you're trying to sell us something, which you are, you'd do better not to mix in crackpot sources and flawed studies (that Finnish study is flawed at worst, and highly inconclusive with a need for followup and replication at best) and try to pass the whole kit-and-kaboodle as legitimate science that is conclusive. Thirdly, you have an agenda, and you are feeding us sources from websites that also have an agenda, who, like everyone else with an agenda, selectively pick and choose those sources and studies which support that agenda, without giving us any access to sources that do not support that agenda, and you expect everyone to just accept it without question? This is Free Republic for crying out loud. It's like you're asking us to accept the Village Voice as an unbiased, objective news source with no political agenda, interested in giving us only the facts.
58 posted on 11/22/2002 9:18:17 PM PST by wimpycat
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To: wimpycat
First of all, I'm not going to trust Chinese studies

First off, cite the particular study that you are referring to.

There may be some valid research mixed in, but if you're trying to sell us something, which you are, you'd do better not to mix in crackpot sources and flawed studies (that Finnish study is flawed at worst, and highly inconclusive with a need for followup and replication at best) and try to pass the whole kit-and-kaboodle as legitimate science that is conclusive.

You STILL haven't answered my question as to WHO exactly in post #43 that you are referring to as "crackpots".

Might it be the Journal of the American Medical Association, could it be the United States Public Health Service, maybe Dr. Ludgwig Grosse, Chief of Cancer Research, U.S. Veterans Administration, or could it be Research Microbiologist, U.S. Army, Dr. B. J. Gallo, Environmental Chemist, J. Kupperschmidt Apollo Program Project Scientist, Dr. N.R. Mancuso, U.S. Army Natick Research Labs, A. Murray, Molecular Biologist, Dr. Strauss?

Maybe it's Dr. Charles Gordon Heyd, Past President of the American Medical Association, or Dr. Professor Albert Schatz, (Microbiology), co-discoverer of Streptomycin, the cure for tuberculosis and numerous other bacterial infections?

Might it be Dr. Charles Gordon Heyd, Past President of the American Medical Association, or Dr. Phyllis Mullenix, Children's Hospital, Boston?

Could it be Dr. William Marcus, Senior Toxicologist at E.P.A?

Or maybe it's the Centers for Disease Control, or perhaps Harold Slavkin, Director of National Institute of Dental Research?

WHO exactly do you think is wrong?

There may be some valid research mixed in, but if you're trying to sell us something, which you are, you'd do better not to mix in crackpot sources and flawed studies (that Finnish study is flawed at worst, and highly inconclusive with a need for followup and replication at best) and try to pass the whole kit-and-kaboodle as legitimate science that is conclusive.

I have no idea what the heck you are talking about. The reference that you acknowledged that you were talking about is in fact an AMERICAN study. Are you confused?

Fluoride in drinking water increases the risk of hip fractures in women, according to an October 1999 American Journal of Epidemiology study.

Thirdly, you have an agenda, and you are feeding us sources from websites that also have an agenda, who, like everyone else with an agenda, selectively pick and choose those sources and studies which support that agenda, without giving us any access to sources that do not support that agenda, and you expect everyone to just accept it without question?

No, YOU have an agenda. It is squashing the truth. My agenda, if you can call it that, is stopping that which harms the American people. Why do you find fault with that?

You have given NO facts, you ignore the FACTS, and it is YOU that has an agenda. And I might add, an agenda that is HOSTILE to the American People.

This is Free Republic for crying out loud. It's like you're asking us to accept the Village Voice as an unbiased, objective news source with no political agenda, interested in giving us only the facts.

You are either delirious, misinformed, or you HAVE an agenda.

59 posted on 11/22/2002 9:45:18 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
I didn't read beyond the first paragraph or the last few lines of your very long post. You have never answered my questions about the methodology used in the Finnish study. There are too many variables that you cannot or will not tell me if they have been controlled, such as how many of the women in this study had been diagnosed with osteoporosis, how well-nourished these women were during their most formative years, how many children each of them had and how old they were when they had them...all of these and more affect bone density. You also cannot or will not tell me when or how often the flouride levels in the water were checked from 1967-1980 to arrive at the figures quoted in the study. Did they take just one water sample from each area on one day? Did they measure the supply throughout the whole 13 year and then give an average?

I asked you these and other valid and reasonable questions about this study before you asked me anything, and you still refuse to answer and dodge the questions by asking me more questions. I asked you my questions first, and I won't answer any more of yours until you answer mine.

Namedropping will get you nowhere with me, I think I made that clear to you earlier. If the very first study I clicked on is full of unanswered questions, questions that you dodge and then start accusing me of being hostile to the American people because I'm asking them, then I'm going to take my perfect, cavity-free teeth and my healthy joints and bones, all exposed to a lifetime of flouride and move on...until you can answer my questions, and hold up better under tough but fair questioning without flying off the handle.

It might be helpful if you would provide a link to the original study, showing the actual correlation rate (between -1.00 and +1.00, and I know what a low positive correlation looks like as opposed to a significant positive correlation rate) and showing how all those variables I mentioned were controlled.

It would also be helpful to me if you could show me some research cited by the pro-flouride people as well. If you're so sure of your agenda, you won't mind citing your critics.

It would be helpful to you to throw out all references to those Chinese studies altogether, unless the same studies have been replicated in the United States.

60 posted on 11/22/2002 10:14:00 PM PST by wimpycat
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