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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/davies/chapter3/

Were the Celtic churches ‘Protestant’?

When the Protestants break with Rome in the sixteenth century, they consider the Celtic churches to be early examples of Protestantism, free of the errors of the ‘Romish’ Church. That view is a mistaken one. All the central doctrines of the Celtic churches, above the role of the mass in worship, are those of Catholicism. If the Pope's presence does not loom large, it is not because the Celts feel themselves separated from the universal Church. It is rather because of geographical distance and the fact that papal claims to sovereignty are not yet fully developed.

30 posted on 03/08/2004 11:08:41 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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When the Protestants break with Rome in the sixteenth century, they consider the Celtic churches to be early examples of Protestantism, free of the errors of the ‘Romish’ Church. That view is a mistaken one. All the central doctrines of the Celtic churches, above the role of the mass in worship, are those of Catholicism. If the Pope's presence does not loom large, it is not because the Celts feel themselves separated from the universal Church. It is rather because of geographical distance and the fact that papal claims to sovereignty are not yet fully developed.

This is a Roman Catholic belief?

This is a Roman Catholic belief?

This is a Roman Catholic belief?

And these are Roman Catholic beliefs?

Then HURRAH! HUZZAH! HALLELUJAH!! For if Rome believes these Celtic Orthodox beliefs, Rome has coverted to Presbyterianism!!

For that is what these beliefs describe.

With all due respect, the Protestants are known to twist history to justify their new found creed. For example, many Protestants like historian Gibbon's praise of the heretical Paulicians because they saw in then an ealry Protestantisim.

Except that if you actually quote the Paulicians, they don't come off looking quite so Protestant (or orthodox Christian at all, for that matter).

But when you actually quote the Celtic Orthodox Fathers...

Well, look. READ my #31. Cross-reference with the full quotations given above.


Lemme illustrate -- Suppose that these Celtic Orthodox Father had taught:

Then you'd certainly be citing these as evidences of Eastern Orthodox Theology in the Celtic Church, wouldn't you? And you'd have an honest right to do so.

By the same token, then, Intellectual Honesty compels you to acknowledge what the Celtic Orthodox Fathers actually did teach:

For their own words testify, to the sermons they preached to their flocks.

32 posted on 03/08/2004 11:30:52 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty)
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