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Posted on 11/24/2002 7:49:31 AM PST by Tancredo Fan
Group fears escalating border tension: Calls self-proclaimed militia members 'domestic terrorists'
By BILL HESS
Herald/Review -- 11/24/02
BISBEE -- Saying the American Border Patrol and a self-proclaimed Tombstone militia group are wackos, Guadalupe Castillo said what is more frightening is that they are domestic terrorists.
Castillo, the co-chair of Coalicion de Derechos Humanos, said extreme right-wing groups want war with Mexico as a way to stop the flow of people coming into the United States whose only crime is to seek work.
"They (right-wing groups) are domestic terrorists. They are a bunch of McVeighs. They are wackos," she said to nearly 100 people who attended a meeting sponsored by Citizens for Border Solutions. Timothy McVeigh was a former soldier who was found guilty of and executed for blowing up a federal building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995, killing 168 people.
Castillo and others spoke to nearly 100 people at an event sponsored by the Citizens for Border Solutions, a group dedicated to finding peaceful ways to end the problems along the international boundary.
Groups that are against immigration believe "Mexico is setting up sleeper cells to take back this portion of the United States," she said.
To them, Isabel Garcia, who is the other co-chair of the group Castillo belongs to, "is the queen terrorist of the reconquista," Castillo said. They have even accused Garcia of being a communist, she added.
There is no truth that the idea of Aztlan is to bring back parts of the Southwestern United States under Mexico, she said.
A historian, Castillo said groups such as the American Border Patrol and a militia organization in Tombstone "have no right to talk about the border issue."
Saturday, Glenn Spencer, who is the executive director of the American Border Patrol, said he disagrees.
He said he is stunned that Castillo said he had no right to talk about the border problems. "How can anyone utter such words in the United States of America?"
What is bothering Spencer is a brief that appeared in Saturday's Houston Chronicle.
The brief stated that Mexico's' foreign minister, Jorge Castaneda, said his country would begin a campaign to win U.S. support for a proposal to legalize 3.5 million Mexicans who illegally enter the United States.
Castaneda said Mexican officials will use the nation's consulates to rally unions, churches, universities and Mexican communities to support the idea.
"What's important is that American society sees a possible migratory agreement in a positive light," Castaneda said. "We are already giving instructions to our consulates that they begin propagating militant activities -- if you will -- in their communities," according to the brief in the Texas newspaper.
Spencer said if that is what the Mexican foreign minister is doing, "it is a declaration of war on the United States."
What needs to be done is not chastise groups such as the American Border Patrol, but for people to support it. The best thing for the United States is to have every illegal immigrant rounded up and deported, Spencer added.
It was not only Spencer who came in for a tongue lashing by some of the speakers.
Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever was taken to task for failing to arrest people who have detained illegal immigrants before turning them over to the U.S. Border Patrol.
Pam Sutherland, the legal director of the Arizona American Civil Liberties Union, said the sheriff and the county prosecutor have filed to protect immigrants.
Saturday, Dever said during a telephone interview, "I'm sorry they feel that way."
Again he said all complaints are investigated and the results are provided to the county attorney and the U.S Attorney for Arizona.
None of the complaints have risen to having criminal charges made, the sheriff said.
Castillo and Sutherland said the American Border Patrol and the militia are probably wearing uniforms that can be mistaken for U.S. Border Patrol outfits and they should be charged for impersonating officers.
Spencer said it is true he was along the border Saturday, but "I wore a pair of Levi's and a plaid shirt, and I don't think the (U.S.) Border Patrol has such a uniform."
Dever said the only time a person can be arrested for impersonating a law officer is if they pretend they are a law officer and attempt to act as one.
"They can dress up in a Border Patrol-like uniform for Halloween. While the Border Patrol may not be happy, unless they are pretending to be an actual agent they are doing nothing illegal," the sheriff said.
Cecile Lumer, who moderated the event for the Citizens for Border Solutions, said the group believes there is a need to change the federal government's activities when it comes to the border.
"I've seen fences replaced by walls and walls replaced by higher walls," she said.
Sutherland said the ACLU is looking for test cases to be used to make the U.S. government stop what they are doing along the border, which she said is a detriment to the well-being of immigrants.
Once a person is in the United States, that individual has the same Constitutional rights as an American citizen, she said.
The ACLU has two cases pending before international groups.
Both were filed in 1999 and no action has been taken on them, Sutherland said.
One was filed with the Organization of American States' Inter-American Commission on Human Rights and the other with the United Nations Human Rights Commission.
Both filings stated the U.S. government's actions are harmful to immigrants, including those who illegally cross the border, causing deaths.
As for people who claim they have private property rights, Sutherland said while that is true, those rights cannot be used if it harms migrants.
What has to be recognized is that the real case is the United States is actually letting people enter the country to fill jobs and they fall under the category of invitees, she said.
Dr. Julie Schourup, a public health officer, said much has been made about the drain of illegal immigrants on medical facilities.
However, she said, "I believe the immigrant community is being used as a scapegoat."
Information from Cochise County medical facilities do not indicate what is not being reimbursed for the emergency treatment of immigrants, she said.
Castillo said what has to be accepted by American citizens is that for hundreds of years the United States has allowed immigrants from Mexico to do jobs that had to be done for the economic well-being of the country.
"This is not a recent manifestation," she said. "There is a need in the United States for laborers."
The unrecognized reality is "the U.S. economy cannot float without this labor," Castillo said.
Equally unknown is that the economy of cities such as Tucson depend on Mexican shoppers, she said.
"People from Sonora and Sinaloa do more than $950 million of shopping in Tucson each year," Castillo said. "That is why they (businesses) fly the Mexican flag. They love the peso."
Arizona legislator Bobby Lugo said the United States cannot have it both ways -- good economy and treating immigrants improperly.
Too many have died crossing the border illegally and that is socially unacceptable.
Cochise County Supervisor Paul Newman said the turmoil in rural Arizona, especially in the county, is caused by the lack of good policy by the federal government.
He is concerned that the government will do even more militarizing of the border instead of changing policies that are not working.
"We know what is going on in this neck of the woods," Newman said of the people who live along the border.
Instead of armed vigilantes, as he called them, taking measures into their own hands, what is needed is a Civilian Border Corps to work with all federal, state and local agencies on both sides of the international boundary.
The speakers and many in the audience called for Congress to change current border polices, with Castillo saying a real congressional committee meeting needs to be held in Cochise County and not back in Washington, D.C.
She also called for local governments to step up to the plate and address the issue, demanding an end to vigilantism.
Unfortunately, she said, "Vigilantism is as American as apple pie in this part of the world."
After the meeting ended, Shayna Redwine, a Bisbee High School senior, said there has to be better solutions to the border problem than continuing with failed procedures.
While she does not think illegal immigrants should be allowed into the country, Redwine said she is more concerned that the federal government is causing the deaths of those who cross the border. It is estimated that 2,000 border crossers died along the entire border the United States shares with Mexico during the last year.
She, like many in the audience, is a member of the Youth Advocates, a group of students who seek peaceful solutions to the border woes.
Redwine is opposed to armed civilian groups taking matters into their own hands and does not want to see the border have more armed federal officials on it, either.
The best thing to do is to take some of the billions of dollars being used along the border and send it to Mexico to build up their economy, the student said.
One of the solutions discussed by the group was the creation of a Marshall Plan, like the one that rebuilt nation's after World War II. Some believe the United States needs to be involved in nation building in Mexico and other Central and South American nations.
But the main concern for Redwine is the country directly south of the United States.
"We need to help Mexico, not hinder it," she said.
Like it or not Free Speech is in the American Constitution, but then they would replace it with the Mexican Constitution which doesn't have it. These groups want to end the ability of Americans to protect their own private property since so far that's all these so-called "vigilante" groups have been doing. We have the right to stop trespassers on our private property but private property isn't something these Marxists believe in.
Start with this one ---she should be in Mexico trying to get rights for her fellow citizens there ---if they had rights in Mexico they wouldn't be fleeing by the millions.
We sure don't need any more people in this country that think our laws don't apply to 'them.'
Excuse me when specifically were the imigrationb laws repealed. Further, I know of no person who is trying to deport anyone who has legally entered the USA, gotten a green card worked hard and obeyed all laws.
Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown
Wrong. Last time that I looked, crossing the border illegally was a crime.
You sir, have it exactly right.
It's an additional crime to be working here. These people need to be rounded up and deported. Remember President Eisenhower? He did it. What's wrong with this administration?
The Mexican government say's it's not, and it believes it now has authority over us.
I could not agree more,
Let's help them out by totally banning immigration from Mexico, sending back all those "job seeking" wet backs, and dropping pamphlets telling them just how they might go about fixing their own damn place before infecting ours.
I lived several years in and around Tucson, including a stint in Sierra Vista, I still have family living south of San Antonio, and I truely Hate to see this happening.
PS: Oh, by the way, since I now live in Los Angeles I'd be happy to provide authentic Huarachis, clever wood carvings, or odd spmelling leather work to anyone deprived of access to down-town Tijuana, it's moved to Broadway just below city hall.
Weasel Words alert: No, the Aztlan people want to create a new country out of a big chunk of the American southwest, not return it to Mexico.
WRONG!!! The rights we enjoy as American citizens are ours because we ARE citizens. An illegal alien is NOT a citizen of the USA, and therefore cannot have the same rights as a citizen, otherwise, the rights are of no value at all. If a person has full rights regardless of whether or not they've broken laws, then there can be no real penalty for crime, because a penalty requires that certain rights be taken away or suspended because they committed a crime. The Bill of Rights does not grant rights, it protects rights that are universal against the intrusion and violation of government. What most people refer to as "Rights" today are actually privileges, which can be conferred or withheld. To say that an illegal alien has the same Consitutional Rights as an American citizen is to say that citizenshiop does not matter, only your location on the planet matters. That's ludicrous!
It is not a crime to seek work, but it IS a crime to enter the USA illegally in order to do so, and it IS a crime to work if they are here illegally.
Funny how misplaced compassion for illegal aliens is supposed to trump laws that are already on the books, which need to be enforced. The solution to illegal aliens is to deport them, plain and simple! What part of the laws regarding illegal aliens being illegal don't these people understand?
The Aztlan people are all Chicanoes who are getting free money for college and aren't likely to really cut themselves off from Washington DC handouts. It'd take a long time to find one of these types who actually worked their own way through college. They're not the brightest though ---they may actually believe all that federal money is just "there".
Mexico has more consulates in the U.S. than any other country. They're everywhere, and they are nothing more than neighborhood invasion stations. The U.S. should never have allowed that hostile, despicable nation to set up so many of them on our soil. After Marxist Castaneda's remark, they should be ordered closed and their obnoxious staffs removed from the country within a few days.
That depends upon what the meaning of "is" is. Technically she is right. Mexico needs the invaded lands to remain a political portion of the United States to access federal funds and the power of federal office. But the area will become a de facto demographic and cultural part of Mexico that has the capacity to tax the United States.
It's a great idea.
Too bad this will never happen
The government has no sincere interest in stopping illegals
If they did, the problem would be solved
The facts speak for themselves
Did he just make this up? OH, just make the law up as you go along...what the heck. Illegals are not "harmed" by being detained for the border patrol, not at all.
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I think this is the major problem right here. If our elected officials will not order the LEO's to enforce the immigration laws, then these illegal immigrants must be invitees! When the citizen vigilantees attempt to enforce the immigration laws they must be going against the wishes of our elected officials. Correct? If so then we need mass recall elections. I would suggest starting with the President, all members of Congress and the Senate, our spineless State Governors and State legislators.
We need elected officials who will follow the Constitution and their Oath of Office!!!
We need to start insisting on reciprocal treatment if we are to be expected to yield an inch to illegal migrants. If U.S. citizens end up in Mexico without legal authorization they need to be eligible for assistance; free health care; an easy path to citizenship; automatic citizenship for offspring born there; a minimum wage equivalant to the U.S. wage; and property ownership. If this treatment is assured to those who cross the border into Mexico it will encourage upright people to bring their skills and knowledge and will be a tremendous help to Mexico. How about it Senoras Castillo y Garcia?
The last I heard, illegally entering this country and getting employed illegally is a crime, as is not paying income taxes or Social Security. Then, add to that the huge numbers that get illegal documentation, drivers licences under false pretenses, "free" public services and vote.
Enough is enough.
If people like this mumblefunk Castillo want trouble, they are looking in the right place. He's a liar and is aiding and abetting criminals, pure and simple - despite his high-fallutin rhetoric about rights.
Quite frankly, it's getting to the point where I almost hope violence starts. That way, it will attract attention and put pressure on our effete politicians to get this thing resolved in favor of Americans, not Mexicans. If they don't want to resolve it, we need to throw the whole stinkin' lot of 'em out and start fresh with somebody who does.
If Mexicans don't like their country, they can revolt and change it to their liking. We don't want them changing ours to suit their liking and we don't need their rampant illegalities disguised as "civil rights"!
A historian, Castillo said groups such as the American Border Patrol and a militia organization in Tombstone "have no right to talk about the border issue."
Who the hell is this Castillo to say that Americans shouldn't have first amendment rights when referring to seditionists like herself and pests like the Mexican government? As for Garcia, it's a shame that the likes of her is actually on the Pima County payroll. The loser ought to be in prison.
I've been doing a lot of thinking about illegal aliens and the politicians whining about not having enough money, they're wanting to raise our taxes as a solution to the budget problems.
This just might be a solution. See if you like it.
Educate a couple of hundred young energetic people who feel American Patriotism is a finer character asset than Diversity is, to an idea like this one. Then these people would need to go face to face with the residents of a small populated rural county and explain how it would work and benefit their them, their kids, and their grandkids.
Get the county population educated to the idea of electing a Sheriff who will go face to face with the Federal government. He is going to need legal advice on how to do all of this. Ideally we would want local attorneys or judges to provide this advice. Hey, before you run off...they have kids and grandkids too.
Getting the Sheriff and County officials to go along with it is another subject. Just maybe you might be able to find someone who thinks as I do, that illegal aliens are parasites in America, and they could spread the idea amongst the citizens of the County. Then the citizens could write a petition to force the Council and Sheriff to follow their instructions. If we could get the Sheriff and local County officials of a lesser populated County with a budget deficit and normal high taxes to declare that all illegal aliens from every nation will be arrested and removed from the County in 30 or 60 days.
All assets not removed from the County must be assigned by the illegal alien to be sold with registered agents or they will be seized by the Sheriff and sold. These funds will be divided between the Sheriffs Office and the County budget officials for expenses.
All people employing illegal aliens will also be arrested and fined. Perhaps $5000 per employee. This would prompt employers to demand that their employees bring in birth certificates, etc. This keeps the government out of our personal records any more than necessary.
The hiring of non citizens that have entered the US legally with the assistance of Immigration and Naturalization Services will of course be encouraged. Only the hiring of illegal aliens will be reason for arrest and stiff fines.
Perhaps ads could be placed in the newspapers of the surrounding counties to obtain legal workers for the farm, ranch, gas station local K-Mart to replace the ones who are leaving. A local 800 number could be updated daily with jobs available in the County.
All people giving aid or care to illegal aliens will also be arrested and fined. This would include illegal aliens who are family members.
This will result in no or very few illegal aliens going to the local hospitals for medical attention. The hospital will start making money instead of heading into bankruptcy.
This will bring welfare for illegal aliens to a screeching halt. This alone will do much for the local budget.
School districts would require much less money because the new residents in the county would certainly be more able to speak English.
Imagine what that would do to surrounding Counties with a similar budget deficit. Do you think it might prompt them to do a similar actions? Do you think it might convince the State officials when enough Counties have adopted these measures that we citizens are serious in our desire to protect our communities from being over run by illegal aliens?
I think half a dozen community residents that are involved in the legal system and the business community could work out what to do to make an idea similar to this work in their community.
For the legal minded folks I have included a statement from one of the cases that made it through the Supreme Court. Unless there are State laws forbidding such actions as I have suggested, I think everything legally is above the table. A local judge could give the Sheriff advice on how to handle the little tweak of the laws.
The federal Gov't may neither issue directives requiring the States to address particular problems, nor command State' officers, or those of their political subdivisions, to administer or enforce a federal regulatory program. It matters not whether policy making is involved, and no case by case weighing of the burdens or benefits is necessary; such commands are fundamentally incompatible with our constitutional system of dual sovereignty.
Justice Antonin Scalia, Mack vs US., June 27, 1997
The way I see it is that given the opportunity and enough notice to move their families safely, the illegal aliens would pack up and leave rather than fight a Sheriff who is broadcasting that just because the Feds aren't going to enforce the immigration laws doesn't mean he isn't.
Employers would rather make a company policy that all employees must prove that they are American citizens or in the United States legally than be fined $5000 for supporting open border policy. Give employers a chance to advertise for critical employees who are currently illegal aliens so their businesses don't suffer a drastic skill shortage.
Just as an add on, I imagine that the local crime rates would be continually dropping until it reached an acceptable level.
Surrounding rural counties would surely catch on quickly to the benefits and start similar programs. All it would take is one newspaper article about the city council needing money for some public service. There is much more rural county land in the US than cities in county land.
I imagine that it wouldn't take too long before cities would simply not be able to afford to support all the illegals who are on taxpayer paid benefits. Consequently, like it or not they would have to fall in line.
I have no idea how fast an idea such as this would spread and actually take firm hold causing neighboring state legislators to look at the idea BEFORE their state was swamped with illegal aliens and the taxpayers rose up demanding immediate solutions. The crime rate amongst illegals is very high as it is. A plan such a this could send it through the ceiling.
This would be dangerous because it would foster hate and anger. Too much of that would result in radicals bringing out their guns chasing the illegals out of their neighborhoods. We have seen gang wars and the resulting violence, this would be worse. So, it would have to be a slow, calm, well organized plan in each county! Our intention is to bring the population of our neighborhoods into patriotic, law abiding folks not to be ravaged by foreigners who have nowhere to go. So eventually, I can see where states would have to cough up the funds and or transportation for the people to get back to Norway, Brazil, Australia, Japan and China.
If we tried to let the Feds handle it, they would fiddle fart around like they been doing and the problem would never be solved. So, the way I see this, the STATES are going to have to stand up after too many years on our knees to the self determined big shots in the Federal Legislative and the Federal Agencies. We need to show them that we'll fix the problem ourselves.
The first States to do this emigration plan will encounter the least expenses. Of course I would expect it to happen, if it ever does, in Western States.
Notice the direction of travel in this definition.
\Em`i*gra"tion\, n. [L. emigratio: cf. F. ['e]migration.] 1. The act of emigrating; removal from one country or state to another, for the purpose of residence, as from Europe to America, or, in America, from the Atlantic States to the Western.
Lets change the worlds idea of where to emigrate from and to! We have given education and work experience to millions of illegal aliens. Now lets give them a chance to see if they can do it for themselves back home!!!
If you think this might work......ping some FR friends to see what they think of it.
Why not email friends with this idea and see if we can't get it started. Of course there will surely need to be modifications to initialize it and perhaps different ideas to promote it. Each County is slightly different and we don't want extreme radicals promoting it or else it will surely sink into oblivion.