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Smart Growth Policies 'Hurt Poor and Minorities,' Report Alleges
CNSNEWS.COM ^ | 11/25/02 | Marc Morano

Posted on 11/26/2002 12:25:51 AM PST by Andy from Beaverton

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To: NYpeanut
They espouse city living, but none of them are selling their cushy suburban houses to move back to the city and let someone else have a shot at their personal utopias.

I majored in city planning as an undergrad, although I never worked in the area. One reason is that I noticed all my professors who advocated planning away the private auto and forced living in planned communities driving away in their tanks out to their farms and large suburban homes after they finished teaching for the day. So instead, I went to work for an association for developers. The hypocrisy was mind-boggling to me.

21 posted on 11/26/2002 8:22:06 AM PST by twigs
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To: goldstategop
"The "smart growth" folks want to keep their tony enclaves gated from what they view as trailer park trash. That's why they support measures to keep the poor and minorities at a distance. Its just amazing how value conscious liberals can be when it comes to protecting all that expensive real estate of theirs from the rifraff of the world"

A perfect example that backs up your comment is the Hollywood Lefties like David Geffen, Spielberg, Streisand, et.al, trying to stop public beach access anywhere near their homes...such hypocrits.

22 posted on 11/26/2002 8:28:26 AM PST by FBD
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To: Andy from Beaverton
A new report says environmentally driven smart growth policies designed to combat urban sprawl are disproportionately hurting minorities and low-income residents and creating economic "segregation." The study also claims the policies are not having the desired traffic or environmental benefits.

That just about sums it up. Don't have to read any farther.

23 posted on 11/26/2002 8:30:46 AM PST by farmfriend
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To: Andy from Beaverton
"Smart growth" ALWAYS results in a dramatically higher cost of living wherever it is imposed, denying home ownership to lower income families.
24 posted on 11/26/2002 8:34:31 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Andy from Beaverton
Smart Growth Policies 'Hurt Poor and Minorities,' Report Alleges

If the world ended tomorrow, the news story would read,
"World Ends Tommorrow; Poor and Minorities Hardest Hit"

(SIGH) - off to the salt mines...Thanks for the post.

25 posted on 11/26/2002 8:36:01 AM PST by FBD
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To: Andy from Beaverton
"By and large [minorities] will not be able to pursue America's best and biggest asset, which is home ownership," he said.

This is absolute hogwash. Homes are easier to buy today then they ever have been... their prices are higher, but other than some very insane markets, Cali, North East, etc... homes are easy to find and to purchase with little money, if you have decent credit. Segregation occurs because of income, not because of color in most market.. lets face it, if the median house price in a neighborhood is 300k, you aren't going to find too many people earning 30k a year living there.

I personally don't have any issues with the smart growth concept, its implimentation by various legislations is comical, but the concept is fine. England has been using this model for centuries and it works fine. London for example has nearly 8 Million people living there, yet has a distinctive city limit, and when the city stops, the farms begin... not stip malls and fast food joints or outlets etc... The city just ENDS and the Country begins.. and it is a very compfortable city... I think NYC which is far larger geographically feels far far more crowded than London.

The problem is that most of US policies are written by or driven environmental nutballs who are not really interested in saving the environment or even smart growth, but are driven by undermining the capitalist system... they aren't written with responsible growth in mind, but with stopping enterprise all together.

26 posted on 11/26/2002 8:47:28 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Andy from Beaverton
All of these feel good endeavors add tremendous costs to builders up front expense pricing homes out of the reach of many people who would like to move up. This keeps starter homes off the market for first time buyers.

Here in Humboldt County the Planning Commission just turned down a 50 unit subdivision because it didn't include enough "affordable housing".Of course this just continues the housing shortage that is driving prices out of sight for thousands state wide. These people must be running on the theory that the population is stagnant while nationwide it approaches 300 million.

27 posted on 11/26/2002 8:48:01 AM PST by tubebender
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
I didn't know about the article being pulled. I posted it here
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28 posted on 11/26/2002 10:00:13 AM PST by madfly
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To: KeyWest; Carry_Okie; backhoe; Black Agnes; countrydummy; newriverSister; brityank; forester; ...
It works to keep green space and is a tool for letting people keep a rural setting in a slowly congestion suburban area. The alternate is tract housing and congestion.

You obviously know nothing of what you speak, but that's to be expected from numbskulls that insist on calling our republic a "democracy".

Green space means telling a local farmer or homesteader that his 40 acre property can't be sold off or sectioned (as it could when he bought or inherited it), depleting it's value tremendously. It means laying a variety of new encumberences on homeowners to the point where they don't really have property rights anymore, they just get to pay the taxes and upkeep like good little "tenants".

All this is done with the wave of a bureaucratic hand. No consideration for devaluation or the destruction of property rights. No compensation for the taking they found themselves on the wrong end of. No say whatsoever in the process.

The large gated community developers (the real cause of "tract housing and congestion you speak of) and agri-corps never have their property incumbered. They get to sit in on all the meetings - along with the rich enviro-orgs - where these anti-American "growth plans" are developed, the peasant homeowers get to shut up and take it. The upper income property owners watch their property values go up while the surrounding rural community gets squeezed out of existence.

Feel free to continue running your head, even though you have zero correct information. After all, we have the right to free speech in our "democracy".

29 posted on 11/26/2002 10:24:06 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST
BTTT!!!!!!
30 posted on 11/26/2002 10:29:30 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: KeyWest; AAABEST
It works to keep green space and is a tool for letting people keep a rural setting in a slowly congestion suburban area. The alternate is tract housing and congestion.

BZZZZT!!!

Wrongo! Instead of believing the sizzle about Smart Growth, you'd better learn about the BIG mis-steak that it constitutes (before it's too late). Perhaps you might consult the work of Dr. Randal O'Toole in his book The Vanishing Automobile, and Other Urban Myths. In it, he does a detailed analysis of how Smart Growth worked, uh, DIDN'T WORK, in Portland, OR. Here's a clue: more traffic problems, more congestion, more smog, higher housing prices and vacant multi-unit developments subsidized by tax dollars. Or you could come down here to Santa Cruz where we adopted the first local Agenda21. We have all of that plus the highest housing unaffordability index in the nation!

Isn't that exciting?

Once you figure out that Smart Growth doesn't work for people, then you can read my book on why it doesn't work for the environment and how a free-market alternative might really do a better job of managing both.

31 posted on 11/26/2002 10:48:05 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Godel
I will disagree with you slightly. Environmentalism does hurt the poor most of all, because it prevents upward and outward mobility. That's a verifiable truth.

I will concede that the article's instant identification of "poor=minority" is pretty damn close to racism.
32 posted on 11/26/2002 10:55:51 AM PST by denydenydeny
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To: AAABEST
Thanks for your post. Your attitude says it all. Sorry you cannot be civil. It seems that this whole thing is about selling a book, so I understand why the last post was pulled.

BTW, our system is federal at the national/state level but at the local level it is definitely democratic.
33 posted on 11/26/2002 11:08:04 AM PST by KeyWest
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To: KeyWest
" Like any zoning issue, it can be bad or good and it all depends on the community and what they want."

It's a taking. It amounts to taking land and property rights from owners. Democracy? There's no more justification that the mob uses votes, instead of physical threats, to take what they don't pay for.

34 posted on 11/26/2002 11:39:41 AM PST by spunkets
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To: KeyWest
You'd have an "attitude" too if over 80% of your county was government owned, with the rest being run by developers, agri-business and enviro-barons. The reason why you have such a nice "attitude" toward this terdpile is because you or the people you care about haven't had the displeasure of being on the wrong end of it.

The "greespace" you speak of in my area is bulldozed homes where instead of barbeques, we now have overgrown, tax-useless, mosquito infested wasteland.

You've have been sold a lie. Smart growth is not some peachy local issue that creates pretty neighborhoods with low traffic and lots of happy trees.

Get informed and I promise I'll try not to hurt your feelings.

35 posted on 11/26/2002 12:17:57 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: KeyWest; AAABEST
I guess Democracy is all a matter of perception or perspective.

Five county commissioners vote to remove all neon signs from the county by Feb 3. Opposition from community businesses YES. Proponents the wealthy the signs do not fit in with the ambience of the community. Down to the little open neon signs. THE SIGNS THEY ALL HAVE TO GO.

Five County Commissioners raise impact fees for new.
construction, not only raise them but double them. Opposition oh my, yes, Builders, low income home buyers, real estate agents, DEMOCRACY The hell with constituents.

Five Commissioners pass a TDR rural growth plan (Transfer of Development Rights) such a deal 93,000 acres made worthless. Numerous packed meetings with people against this TDR. DEMOCRACY? The vote 5 yes 0 no. DEMOCRACY?

Commissioner # 1 was auto mechanic, now rural planning strategist.

Commssioner # 2 was Rent-all shop owner now can budget entire county.

Commssioner # 3 Public Relations for the hospital now Keep America Beautifull proponent (kinda like Lady Byrd Johnson) Ambience Queen of the county.

Now costituents voices no longer matter in this county of Democratic decision making because we currently have a Kingdom of 5 decision makers.

How lucky we are I hope you get the same democractic voices in your community.

36 posted on 11/26/2002 12:38:18 PM PST by TonyWojo
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To: KeyWest
It seems that this whole thing is about selling a book, so I understand why the last post was pulled.

This isn't about selling books (if it was, I wouldn't have written the book that I did); it's about informing you. Much of the information if free (that is, if you care enough about such things to bother clicking a link and reading it).Your pompous ignorance in defense of a fraudulent bill of goods shows how badly you need to read them.

I was a participant on the first in the nation Agenda21 (aka Sustainable Development, aka Smart Growth) Biodiversity and Ecosystem Management Roundtable in 1994. At that time, I believed in planning, regulation, and zoning laws and a government that would help people do the right things for nature if we would only disseminate the information. I have since learned what a corrupt and destructive system Smart Growth really is. Best you shake that smirk and get to work learning about it yourself.

37 posted on 11/26/2002 12:46:53 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Andy from Beaverton
Screw the rats and their toadies, let 'em fight among themselves... :o)
38 posted on 11/26/2002 2:22:24 PM PST by blackie
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To: AAABEST; TonyWojo; Carry_Okie; KeyWest
Mark my words - people are just about fed up with the land grabbing and oe of these days their willbe another civil war. The feds keep taking more and more land every day. Check in your atlas or encyclopedia and see how much land is owned in each state and you will be totally amazed.

Thanks for the ping AAABest
39 posted on 11/26/2002 3:21:01 PM PST by isasis
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To: twigs
You nailed it young; congratulations.
40 posted on 11/26/2002 3:36:11 PM PST by NYpeanut
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