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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
Garbage still. There are many varieties of so called smart growth. It is a local issue and your community can embrace it or not, since it is a zoning issue. It works to keep green space and is a tool for letting people keep a rural setting in a slowly congestion suburban area. The alternate is tract housing and congestion.

Like any zoning issue, it can be bad or good and it all depends on the community and what they want. In my area, one town uses it and the next town does not. As far as affordable housing, that is local also. It would be unlikely that the poor could afford a tract house any more than a clustered smart growth house. Usually affordable housing means town houses, or many units in one building. Back in the old days they were called apartments.

So it is not a decree from the Central Committee but a plan that can be used or not by local communities. That is Democracy. I wish you people would be a little more precise in what you call Communism.

The leaps of logic that are coming from those who are complaining about their post being pulled are tin foil hat by definition. Lots of Chicken Littles.
15 posted on 11/26/2002 8:06:14 AM PST by KeyWest
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To: KeyWest
Smart Growth is based on United Nations Agenda 21 for sustainable growth and sustainable development. Also while your at it do a search on the Wildlands project.

One of the first things Governor Jeb Bush did upon comming into office was issue an order for most Counties in Florida to devise a smart growth plan to stop urban sprawl. So if you want to say that is a local issue that is incorrect.

In Collier County which is by the way 87% public land already, they want another 300,000 acres set aside. for a Panther, Wood Stork, a wood pecker. etc. etc.

Personally I think the rural land owner should be placed on the endangered species list.
19 posted on 11/26/2002 8:17:33 AM PST by TonyWojo
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To: KeyWest
You are addressing the professionally disgruntled and will not be heard. "Communism", "socialism", "fascism" are all terms they throw indiscrimenantly about will no regard for accuracy or appropriateness. Oh, and can't forget "statist."
20 posted on 11/26/2002 8:19:21 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: KeyWest; Carry_Okie; backhoe; Black Agnes; countrydummy; newriverSister; brityank; forester; ...
It works to keep green space and is a tool for letting people keep a rural setting in a slowly congestion suburban area. The alternate is tract housing and congestion.

You obviously know nothing of what you speak, but that's to be expected from numbskulls that insist on calling our republic a "democracy".

Green space means telling a local farmer or homesteader that his 40 acre property can't be sold off or sectioned (as it could when he bought or inherited it), depleting it's value tremendously. It means laying a variety of new encumberences on homeowners to the point where they don't really have property rights anymore, they just get to pay the taxes and upkeep like good little "tenants".

All this is done with the wave of a bureaucratic hand. No consideration for devaluation or the destruction of property rights. No compensation for the taking they found themselves on the wrong end of. No say whatsoever in the process.

The large gated community developers (the real cause of "tract housing and congestion you speak of) and agri-corps never have their property incumbered. They get to sit in on all the meetings - along with the rich enviro-orgs - where these anti-American "growth plans" are developed, the peasant homeowers get to shut up and take it. The upper income property owners watch their property values go up while the surrounding rural community gets squeezed out of existence.

Feel free to continue running your head, even though you have zero correct information. After all, we have the right to free speech in our "democracy".

29 posted on 11/26/2002 10:24:06 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: KeyWest; AAABEST
It works to keep green space and is a tool for letting people keep a rural setting in a slowly congestion suburban area. The alternate is tract housing and congestion.

BZZZZT!!!

Wrongo! Instead of believing the sizzle about Smart Growth, you'd better learn about the BIG mis-steak that it constitutes (before it's too late). Perhaps you might consult the work of Dr. Randal O'Toole in his book The Vanishing Automobile, and Other Urban Myths. In it, he does a detailed analysis of how Smart Growth worked, uh, DIDN'T WORK, in Portland, OR. Here's a clue: more traffic problems, more congestion, more smog, higher housing prices and vacant multi-unit developments subsidized by tax dollars. Or you could come down here to Santa Cruz where we adopted the first local Agenda21. We have all of that plus the highest housing unaffordability index in the nation!

Isn't that exciting?

Once you figure out that Smart Growth doesn't work for people, then you can read my book on why it doesn't work for the environment and how a free-market alternative might really do a better job of managing both.

31 posted on 11/26/2002 10:48:05 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: KeyWest
" Like any zoning issue, it can be bad or good and it all depends on the community and what they want."

It's a taking. It amounts to taking land and property rights from owners. Democracy? There's no more justification that the mob uses votes, instead of physical threats, to take what they don't pay for.

34 posted on 11/26/2002 11:39:41 AM PST by spunkets
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To: KeyWest
"So it is not a decree from the Central Committee but a plan that can be used or not by local communities."

KW, And IF the communities implement "smart growth", they are given handsome "incentives" from above {godgov}. "zoning" by any other name is social engineering the use of property. In a word. SOCIALISM!! Us "tinfoilers" laugh at you ignore-ants. Peace and love, George.

42 posted on 11/26/2002 4:16:13 PM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: KeyWest
I'm completely confused about "Smart Growth." I live in Loudoun County, VA (second fastest growing county in the USA) and we're having all kinds of zoning battles! My biggest frustration is that the builders built townhomes, apartments, mid-size homes and estates by the hundreds but they didn't contribute any funds to build the required schools and roads. My oldest daughter shared a locker with two other students her freshmen year of high school. The school was 500 students over-enrolled! My youngest daughter is in kindergarten in a class with 28 students. Most kindergarten classes are full at 20. It's hard to sort through all the rhetoric to find out how this lack of foresight and planning took place. I just don't know what to think.
50 posted on 11/26/2002 5:48:23 PM PST by Sweet Hour of Prayer
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