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Russia reestablishes Red Star as emblem of army
AFP via Babelfish translation ^ | November 26, 2002

Posted on 11/26/2002 7:31:29 AM PST by HAL9000

The Russian army restores red star with five branches like emblème

Tuesday November 26, 2002 - 15h20 GMT

MOSCOW, Nov. 26 (AFP) - the Russian army asked and obtained Tuesday the re-establishment of red star with five branches, emblème of the Soviet forces armed disappeared from its flag after the fall of the USSR, brought back the Interfax agency.

The request was presented by the Minister for Defense Sergueï Ivanov at president Vladimir Poutine who immediately supported it, during a meeting with the executives of the army joined together at the Kremlin.

One will need a vote of the Parliament to officialize the return of star by amending the law on emblème of the armed forces. Mr. Poutine expressed the hope that the presidents of the two rooms, present at the meeting, would support this initiative.

Informant to express itself in the name of the soldiers and of ex-serviceman, Mr. Ivanov affirmed in particular that "the star is crowned for the soldiers".

"Our fathers and our grandfathers fought under star. And we always have stars on our shoulder pads ", said the minister.

The flags of the units of the Soviet army carried a red star bordered of yellow, and among the decorations decreed during the Second World War that of red star was most largely allotted to the men as with the units. The daily newspaper of the Russian ministry of Defense preserved as for him the name of Krasnaïa Zvezda, the red Star.

The president of the Union of the committees of mothers of soldiers, Valentina Melnikova, which gathers associations of parents of conscripts, criticized the decision of Sergueï Ivanov.

"the Minister for Defense was named to carry out a reform (army), not to restore the dead symbol of a died State", it declared on the radio operator Echo of Moscow.

Last year, Mr. Poutine had restored the old anthem of the USSR, whose new words were written by a former official poet of the Soviet Union.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: redstar; russia; ussr

1 posted on 11/26/2002 7:31:29 AM PST by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
Put this on the list of things that make you go Hmmmm.
2 posted on 11/26/2002 7:35:10 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: HAL9000
"Our fathers and our grandfathers fought under star. And we always have stars on our shoulder pads ","

How about their great grandfathers?

3 posted on 11/26/2002 7:35:25 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: HAL9000
no comment.
4 posted on 11/26/2002 7:38:07 AM PST by yonif
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To: HAL9000
This is simply to save them the cost of having to paint new emblems on all of its soviet era military hardware.
5 posted on 11/26/2002 7:39:58 AM PST by The_Victor
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To: HAL9000
Last year, Mr. Poutine had restored the old anthem of the USSR, whose new words were written by a former official poet of the Soviet Union.

That's no different than what Germany did after WWII. Same song as the Nazis, different words. Also, did they imply that they put a crown on top of the star to also denote Russia's czarist past as well?

6 posted on 11/26/2002 7:43:47 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
No problem there, but it is a bit weird having the big bad russkies as allies ... but that too has happened before.
7 posted on 11/26/2002 7:48:36 AM PST by Centurion2000
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To: dfwgator
You are referring, I assume, to the German Democratic Republic?

Since the NSDAP was, in fact, Socialist, there is one song (Brueder im Zechen und Gruben) that was taken over by the Volksarmee as their "theme", without any modifications to the words. Many of the political songs from the twenties and thirties were based on traditional tunes. The Nazis and Red Front each had their own sets of lyrics, though. I guess it saved money on the sheet music.

8 posted on 11/26/2002 7:51:14 AM PST by Goetz_von_Berlichingen
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To: Goetz_von_Berlichingen
I was referring to the Haydn composiition which the world knew as "Deutschland Uber Alles." After the war, West Germany kept the song, but used a different verse.
9 posted on 11/26/2002 9:28:03 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Germany did not actually have a national anthem until the Weimar Republic, when Deutschland ueber Alles became official. The tune had started life in 1797 as the anthem of the Holy Roman Empire as Gott erhalte Franz den Kaiser.

During the Nazi era, Germany actually had two anthems. Deutschland continued to be used by the army and "non-politicals" while Die Fahne hoch was the song of the NSDAP (there were Communist words to this one, as well). The latter has been, of course, outlawed. The first verse of the Deutschlandlied is no longer ordinarily sung at public funtions, because the borders to which it refers are not currently operative. Singing it, however, is not illegal. On the other hand, you can be locked up for singing the Horst Wessel Lied.

10 posted on 11/26/2002 9:54:40 AM PST by Goetz_von_Berlichingen
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