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PUTIN BRINGS BACK SOVIET RED STAR
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel ^ | 11/26/02 | Vladimir Isachenkov

Posted on 11/26/2002, 6:44:21 PM by Extremely Extreme Extremist

Putin Brings Back Soviet Red Star

By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV
Associated Press Writer

MOSCOW (AP) -- President Vladimir Putin agreed Tuesday to reinstate the Soviet-era red star as the Russian military's official emblem - in the latest reincarnation of Communist symbols that has sparked fears of a return to the repressive past.

The proposal came from Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov, who spoke Tuesday at a meeting of Russia's top generals attended by Putin.

"The star is sacred for all servicemen," Ivanov said in remarks broadcast on Russian television as Putin sat behind him, frowning his brow. "Our fathers and grandfathers went to battle with the star."

Putin quickly endorsed Ivanov's appeal, and then voiced hope that the speakers of both houses of the Russian parliament would succeed in "convincing" lawmakers to approve the corresponding legislation.

The proposed resurrection of the red star is expected to be popular with the conservative military and appeared to be an attempt by the Kremlin to reinforce servicemen's loyalty. But Putin's critics said it also sent a powerful signal to the rest of the country.

"It's very serious because it doesn't just feed old people's nostalgia, but also affects the youth who don't understand the fascist or communist ideologies but are eager to grasp their symbols," Sergei Grigoryants, a Soviet-era dissident and strong critic of the government, said in a telephone interview.

On Putin's initiative, the Russian parliament earlier resurrected the music of the old Soviet anthem, albeit with a new words, and brought back the Soviet-era red banner as the military's flag. At the same time, it also endorsed the czarist-era white-red-and-blue flag that Russia has been using since the 1991 Soviet demise and the old imperial emblem of a double-headed eagle.

Putin has shrugged off criticism from liberals, who voiced fears that the return of the Communist symbols could herald the comeback of the Soviet-style authoritarian regime. He countered that the use of Soviet-era symbols should help mend deep rifts in society by acknowledging the achievements of the Soviet past that older generations cherish.

Lyudmila Alexeyeva, a Soviet-era dissident who heads the Moscow Helsinki Group, a leading human rights organization, said that Putin has turned to old symbols in a bid to strengthen his support base.

"No one is left out: Communists get their anthem, the conservatives have a double-headed eagle and democrats their tricolor flag," she said. "It makes one wonder what kind of national ideology such a state has."

Some observers interpreted the call for resurrecting the red star as an indication that the Kremlin had abandoned its push for radical military reform. The Kremlin had championed the creation of a leaner, professional military instead of the balky Soviet-style armed forces intended to confront the west.

"It may look like a trifle, but it gives an important signal to both the top brass and the civilian bureaucracy that the Soviet military machine will remain," said Pavel Felgenhauer, an independent military analyst.

The Kremlin's plans to abandon the unpopular draft and switch to an all-volunteer force have met stiff resistance from the top military brass who said that the move would be too costly. In the ranks, there is smoldering discontent over wages which remain miserable at the equivalent of just over US$100 a month for a junior officer despite a recent increase.

The proposed restoration of the star is expected to easily pass through the parliament, which is dominated by pro-government centrists, who obediently follow the Kremlin's wishes.

The five-point star has been the symbol of the Red Army since it was established in the wake of the 1917 Bolshevik revolution. Along with the hammer-and-sickle, it also appeared in the corner of the Soviet red flag.

Putin's attitude about Soviet-era symbols is in sharp contrast with the policy of his predecessor, Boris Yeltsin, who loathed the Communist symbols and staunchly resisted hardliners' pressure to restore the old anthem.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: putin; russia
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1 posted on 11/26/2002, 6:44:21 PM by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
The five point star is also the national symbol of the Democratic Party. Coincidence, you decide. (The Eagle is the GOP symbol, not the elephant.)
2 posted on 11/26/2002, 6:46:13 PM by 1Old Pro
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I'm a little torn on this. I recognize Russia's finest hour was at places like Stalingrad, Leningrad, Kursk, Berlin, and Moscow in WWII. But also, the Red Star symbolized the oppressive Soviet Union. It's kind of like our Confederate Battle Flag in the South.
3 posted on 11/26/2002, 6:48:28 PM by Sparta
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Maybe Pooty-Poot should bring back the Gulag also.
4 posted on 11/26/2002, 6:48:47 PM by colorado tanker
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To: Sparta
It's kind of like our Confederate Battle Flag in the South.

That's not a valid comparison. The Confederate flag represented freedom and individual/state rights.

5 posted on 11/26/2002, 6:52:13 PM by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
The first American flag I saw raised in Viet Nam in February 1965 was the Stars and Bars. At the time we couldn't raise the Stars and Stripes (diplomatic crapola) so the Battalion commander, a colonel from the old south had the Confederate flag flying over his tent. I guess the Russki's have the same loyalty to symbols (and others will probably equate the symbol to the swastika as do some folks in this country equate the Stars and Bars).
6 posted on 11/26/2002, 6:52:34 PM by harrym
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
The only comparison was to the controversy, not the morality of the Confederate Battle Flag or the cause it represented.
7 posted on 11/26/2002, 6:54:36 PM by Sparta
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To: harrym
One of the things that one must understand is that the Red Star was the symbol of the Army that buried the Wehrmacht and took Berlin at the cost of millions of lives.

Personally, I believe that the shield should be the Double Eagle superimposed on a Red Star.

It is not wise to abandon a nation's military heritage, especially as one as valorous as that of Russia's in WWII.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

8 posted on 11/26/2002, 6:59:17 PM by section9
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
bump
9 posted on 11/26/2002, 7:00:18 PM by Centurion2000
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
But the Red Star and the Stars and Bars are comparable. Can you imagine the Stars and Bars on the shoulders of our military uniforms?
10 posted on 11/26/2002, 7:02:08 PM by KC_Conspirator
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
>>It's kind of like our Confederate Battle Flag in the South.

>That's not a valid comparison. The Confederate flag represented freedom and individual/state rights.

I can see it now. The people of Georgia and Lithuania will sue the Russian government to keep the ‘Red Star’ flag from flying over their embassy because it brings up bad memories of the past.

Oh wait… that only happens over here.

11 posted on 11/26/2002, 7:04:48 PM by Dr._Joseph_Warren
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
While I appreciate the power of symbols, especially those with that kind of history, I think this is a non-issue. Russia's political future is not going to be influenced by what they have painted on the sides of their tanks and fighter planes.

As some of you have pointed out, it probably has more to do with a longing for the glory days of the Red Army than it does for the good old days of communism. There's no shortage of WWII nostalgia in this country, and we've fared considerably better since 1945 than they have.
12 posted on 11/26/2002, 7:07:39 PM by Media Insurgent
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To: KC_Conspirator
Can you imagine the Stars and Bars on the shoulders of our military uniforms?

The Stars and Bars only represented eleven states though. It should be on the uniforms of the Southern National Guard units to honor the brave Confederate soldiers.
13 posted on 11/26/2002, 7:08:56 PM by Sparta
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To: section9

One of the things that one must understand is that the Red Star was the symbol of the Army that buried the Wehrmacht and took Berlin at the cost of millions of lives.

Personally, I believe that the shield should be the Double Eagle superimposed on a Red Star.

It is not wise to abandon a nation's military heritage, especially as one as valorous as that of Russia's in WWII.

Exactly. The Russian (not Soviet anymore!) military will be an important ally. When one looks at how Russia is moving up - low taxes, highly educated work force, etc. - they're going to be a dangerous foe to whomever opposes them. Fortunately, our two nations have leaders who get along, even if they don't agree on everything, they agree on the importance of liberty.

Besides, the OPFOR color should be changed to green, 'cause green is a color symbolic of certain nations...

14 posted on 11/26/2002, 7:12:57 PM by Chemist_Geek
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To: Sparta
And whose allegiance do I owe when I head to Norfolk, VA or Jacksonville some other Confederate state for training?
15 posted on 11/26/2002, 7:17:51 PM by KC_Conspirator
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To: Chemist_Geek
Bump!!
16 posted on 11/26/2002, 7:18:02 PM by Sparta
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To: KC_Conspirator
You owe it to the United States of course. The Confederacy is a dead nation and the Stars and Bars would only be optional and only for National Guard members in a former Confederate State's National Guard.
17 posted on 11/26/2002, 7:20:00 PM by Sparta
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To: section9
Personally, I believe that the shield should be the Double Eagle superimposed on a Red Star.

I like this idea. Bump.

18 posted on 11/26/2002, 7:30:08 PM by weikel
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To: colorado tanker
This time, for Chechen terrorists.
19 posted on 11/26/2002, 7:30:56 PM by sheik yerbouty
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
The Confederate flag represented freedom and individual/state rights.

Unless you had the misfortune to be a slave.

20 posted on 11/26/2002, 7:31:43 PM by Poohbah
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