Is it possible to create a political socioeconomic system in which nobody has to work?

Fantasy vanity | November 26, 2002 | Momaw Nadon

[vikingchick]

Samir: No one is this country can ever pronounce my name right. It's not that hard: Nayee-Nanajar. Nayeenanajar.

Michael Bolton: Yeah, well, at least you're name isn't Michael Bolton.

Samir: You know, there's nothing wrong with that name.

Michael Bolton: There WAS nothing wrong with it. Until I was about 12 years old, and that no-talent-ass-clown BECAME famous and started winning Grammy's.

Samir: Why don't you just go by Mike, instead of Michael?

Michael Bolton: No way! Why should I change it? He's the one who sucks.

[slimer]

I wish I could live a comfortable life without having to work.

Many people are too busy working and take no time to discover their natural God given gifts. When one finds their bliss, they find peace, joy, fulfillment and work becomes play.

[Mark Felton]

"If you are talking about a single country and not the entire world, then yes. If you lived in a country that has control of a needed product, like oil in the present time, it could be set up for all to live in luxury. "

Saudi Arabia has that luxury today. The question is WHY should those in power set anything up for anyone not in power to live in luxury. Who will make them? Why?

[Revolting cat!]

RE # 35:

I think that in your scenario the robots would have to be programmed to know that they are programmed and consequently be enabled to alter their programs, that is in effect to match the skills of the humans who initially created them. This is, I think, the paradox which effectively nixes the whole idea.(Hasn't some well known writer written about it?)

[Oberon]

My challenge to all at Free Republic is to devise a Constitution of a political socioeconomic system in which nobody has to work but in which we are all wealthy.

Quit mixing up economics and politics, and you'll be a step ahead! Governmental entities are a net drag to an economic system.

The solution you're looking for is an economic one only. That being said, it's an impossibility except in the shortest of short terms. It's like economic perpetual motion.

[Momaw Nadon]

You can stop working right now. Go ahead and stop. You will be cared for. You can get a check from the welfare dept. You will have healthcare AND you can enjoy yourself all day long watching TV.

Go ahead. We don't need robots. You can stop right now and have a life of luxury and good health superior to even the wealthiest man 100 years ago. You can go on the dole and have a quality of life SUPERIOR to Abraham Lincoln.

Why don't you? WHY?

Because I am a conservtive and do not believe in stealing what other people have earned

[AntiGuv]

Why the hostility? I'm merely pointing out a likely variation of how the future will unfold. It's not meant as a personal endorsement or condemnation - just a neutral assessment. Whenever the time comes, it'll seem perfectly natural to most of society except the always present handful of antiquarians. In other words, more or less the same as any other modern era of rapid advancements.

[Momaw Nadon]

conservtive = conservative

[Always Right]

Is it possible to create a political socioeconomic system in which nobody has to work?

Isn't that the system Marx created?

[u-89]

Is it possible to create a political socioeconomic system in which nobody has to work?

Yes. Just have a class of non-persons doing the work for you. What would you do for money? Well if it were a country with a lot of oil say all citizens got a piece of the action and as said non-persons did the service jobs, chores and menial tasks. By non-persons I do not mean robots as you suggest, that's impractical. If you like the sounds of such a world just make sure who your parents will be before you're born.

BTW, I concur with the one post, having a job stinks. Being paid for doing your hobby is as good as it gets but having to work at something you don't like is also educational and builds character. Going broke and losing everything you've got and I mean everything is also educational and builds character. Everyone should try it at least once.

[weikel]

If you could just come into on Saturday that'd be great yeahhhhhh im ah gonna need you to work on Sunday too.

[AntiGuv]

Isn't that the system Marx created?

Like it or not: Isn't that the system we've been moving inexorably toward at least since FDR? The only thing which ever varies is the general rate of movement & the particular sectors of collectivization that a given administration advances.

[pabianice]

They did it on "Star Trek"...

[Mark]

If the country is a Republic like the U.S. AND controls the majority of a needed product, then the entire country could get say, a milion dollars per year per person and keep a strong military that would need a little more bucks....ok cut that down to 1/2 million.... ok back to the robots.. that's the military! We be in charge now.

[Momaw Nadon]

[BuddhaBoy]

Thanks for the chuckle.

Office Space was simply one of the best movies ever made.

[Momaw Nadon]

Isn't that the system Marx created?

Marx's system wasn't successful.

In his system, the people were the slaves, not robots.

And people had to work, not live lives of luxury.

[Mark Felton]

" Because I am a conservtive and do not believe in stealing what other people have earned "

But you have earned nothing at all. By what right will you claim even 1 robot to clean your toilets?

What power will you have to request even 2 robots when your neighbor has 6?

[vikingchick]

It's definitely one of the best movies ever! Great dialogue.


Bob Slydell: Looks like you've been missing quite a bit of work lately.
Peter Gibbons: Well, I wouldn't say I've been MISSING it, Bob.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

A great movie.