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Blessings of private property
Washington Times ^ | 11/28/02 | Gary M. Galles

Posted on 11/27/2002 9:44:43 PM PST by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:59:20 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

At Thanksgiving, Americans reflect on their many blessings. They also hope their family gatherings will be uplifting times of togetherness and unity. It is as an example of that hope for peace, harmony, and thankfulness that the Pilgrims are discussed.


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1 posted on 11/27/2002 9:44:43 PM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Bookmarked. Excellent post and Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours. God bless you.
2 posted on 11/27/2002 10:00:06 PM PST by Sparta
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To: kattracks
The Mayflower began its historic voyage on Sept. 16, 1620, with about 102 passengers. After a 65-day journey, the Pilgrims sighted Cape Cod on November 19. Unable to reach the land they had contracted for, they anchored (November 21) at the site of Provincetown. Because they had no legal right to settle in the region, they drew up the Mayflower Compact, creating their own government. The settlers soon discovered Plymouth Harbor, on the western side of Cape Cod Bay and made their historic landing on December 21; the main body of settlers followed on December 26.

Such a small group landing in the New World at the outset of winter had little chance for survival unless they established some form of communal effort.

I certainly don't advocate such communalism as a long-term strategy. But I think the necessity should be mentioned to lend balance and perspective to this article.

3 posted on 11/27/2002 10:15:08 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
Let's not confuse good will toward one's neighbors with communismm, OK?
4 posted on 11/28/2002 3:48:59 AM PST by snopercod
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To: kattracks
Saved to disc, and e-mailed to several friends. Thanks.
5 posted on 11/28/2002 4:35:34 AM PST by snopercod
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To: Willie Green
According to Bradford's diary, the company (I think it was the London Virginia Company) that commissioned the colony demanded a communal format in the colony's charter.

6 posted on 11/28/2002 5:25:35 AM PST by William Terrell
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To: kattracks
btt
7 posted on 11/28/2002 5:25:38 AM PST by Cacique
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To: snopercod
Let's not confuse good will toward one's neighbors with communismm, OK?

Let's not confuse necessary requirements for survival with "goodwill".

8 posted on 11/28/2002 8:23:09 AM PST by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
Deal!
9 posted on 11/28/2002 8:27:48 AM PST by snopercod
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To: William Terrell
According to Bradford's diary, the company (I think it was the London Virginia Company) that commissioned the colony demanded a communal format in the colony's charter.

I don't know much about that, but a brief search on the Web produced this:

The Pierce Patent, 1621

When the Pilgrims created the Mayflower Compact, it lacked one important thing--authorization by the English government. The Mayflower Compact was a "quick fix", but even the Pilgrims knew they would need the authority of the English government behind them if they wanted to continue living at Plymouth. When news from Plymouth returned to England in May, 1620 along with the Mayflower, the Merchant Adventurers (stockholders in the Plymouth Plantation) led by John Peirce went to the Council of New England to get the Pilgrims the rights to live and establish a government of their own at Plymouth. The result was the 1621 Pierce Patent, which in a sense superceeds the Mayflower Compact.

I never had the impression that religious beliefs of the Pilgrims included communalism, at least not to the extent practiced later in history by groups such as the Shakers or the Harmonists. But it does make sense that such conditions would have been agreed to prior to their journey, simply as a practical matter for safely establishing a colony in a remote wilderness.

10 posted on 11/28/2002 11:37:14 AM PST by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
But it does make sense that such conditions would have been agreed to prior to their journey, simply as a practical matter for safely establishing a colony in a remote wilderness.

I agree. But it nearly destroyed the colony. They almost starved to death in the midst of plenty from the forest, land and sea. Communism/socialism always sounds like it'll work, and it probably would when human beings so spiritually evolve to the point of individual self-governing that no government or economic system is needed.

You ought to read Bradford's diary. It's a page-turner; I couldn't put it down. It describes a microcosm of exactly what's going wrong with our budget crises today.

11 posted on 11/28/2002 2:19:33 PM PST by William Terrell
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To: William Terrell
I agree. But it nearly destroyed the colony.

IMHO, the author of this article tries to leave this impression by omitting the circumstances of the Pilgrim's arrival.
Yes, nearly half of the original 102 who came over on the Mayflower perished that first winter.
They were poorly provisioned, especially when their arrival coincided with the onset of winter. It is doubtful any of them would have survived had they not resorted to communal shareing of resources.

IMHO, it's a disservice to posterity to suggest that the communal sharing almost destroyed them when it actually saved them. Once the necessary community infrastructure was established for their mutual safety and security, they made the natural progression to more independent lifestyles. But such independent pursuit of individual desires would have been impossible without first establishing community infrastructure. Together, they survived; individually, they would have surely perished.

12 posted on 11/28/2002 3:30:11 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
Together, they survived; individually, they would have surely perished.

On second thought, I don't see how communism saved the colony, even in the first year. Work it out. Whether they were chartered into the communal setup or not, there still had to be meat found, corn grown, shelters built, a dozen chores done.

There were communal tasks to be done, house raisings, barn raisings, which charter or not people would have done communially anyway because people always do these things communally. In this sense you're right about communalism helping in reality, instead of helping in theory.

But all the rest of the necessary things to survive, growing food, hunting, providing heating for a family, working out clothing arrangments, and many other details, chartered to be communal, would have been done anyway by the individuals/families and, if the results of Bradford's change of the setup is any indication, most individuals would have provided a surplus to help any scragglers.

Those that flourished more would have shared. I think most people are compassionate, if given a free choice. And these were Christian, for the most part, and fellow adventurers.

But, to me, the lesson is clear. The colony was on death's bed then land allotments to families and individuals, ending communalism, were introduced and the change was immediate. That argues for a causal relationship.

Do read Bradford. He was there and he wrote it as it happened.

13 posted on 11/28/2002 4:28:17 PM PST by William Terrell
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To: William Terrell
On second thought, I don't see how communism saved the colony, even in the first year. Work it out.

Well, considering that it's Thanksgiving Day, I'm gonna relax and not bother trying to explain it to you.
If you think you can survive on your own in the remote wilderness in the dead of winter, have a good time.

14 posted on 11/28/2002 4:42:18 PM PST by Willie Green
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